Armageddon - Page 4

Gregstrom · #1 January 8th, 2009, 11:34 AM

Kill all Astral nations in the early game.

Oh, you could put up Astral Corruption. About 1 in 5 Armageddon casts will then get hit by a Doom Horror, which should get past the average bodyguard squad.

archaeolept · #2 January 8th, 2009, 11:44 AM

meh, any wish caster can surely cast returning in order to avoid the horror.

Really, there's not much to do. IMO, armageddon is the only actually over-powered wish, and should be toned down some.

Blood is completely scuppered by it. Use your own wishes to wish for blood? That was my fallback position in Hellscape.

chrispedersen · #3 January 8th, 2009, 03:10 PM

The other problem with armageddon still remains - that it only kills small hp units.

Niefle, Most giants.. completely unaffected. IT needs to be like a straight 5% chance to kill the unit.

I'm putting a comment like this in my wish thread...

Agema · #4 January 8th, 2009, 06:45 PM

A blood nation isn't scuppered by Armageddon. They just need to have their own astral mage who can wish for blood slaves. You get what, 200 per wish or so? Not a bad deal.

Whatever, the next Pantokrator's really going to have rush out the "Go forth and reproduce" edict in order to repopulate the world before the next age starts with all those armageddons.

Executor · #5 January 8th, 2009, 07:03 PM

I think wishing for blood slaves is a bad deal since the ratio is what? 150 blood slaves for 100 astral gems. No.
If maybe 300 a wish then yes, but what the hell can you do with 150 blood slaves? Unless you're Hinnom or Lanka?
Wishing for a Seraph is much better.
A much better uys for those wish gems is to save for AN since the Armageddon is going to kill almost all the population anyway, and everyone will be forced to switch to gems only.

chrispedersen · #6 January 8th, 2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Executor

I think wishing for blood slaves is a bad deal since the ratio is what? 150 blood slaves for 100 astral gems. No.
If maybe 300 a wish then yes, but what the hell can you do with 150 blood slaves? Unless you're Hinnom or Lanka?
Wishing for a Seraph is much better.
A much better uys for those wish gems is to save for AN since the Armageddon is going to kill almost all the population anyway, and everyone will be forced to switch to gems only.

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Zeldor · #7 January 9th, 2009, 05:35 AM

Armageddon does kill blood nations. It's 25% pop per one. Few of them and blood income is decreased by 90%. Also the damage to troops is mundane and very random, so protection helps. But yep, giants don't suffer. Well armored troops have very small mortality rate. High-hp non-armored units can get afflictions. Even well armored tartarians can get them.

And if you can wish for slaves every turn, you are not a blood nation. You are astral nation.

Agema · #8 January 9th, 2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeldor

And if you can wish for slaves every turn, you are not a blood nation. You are astral nation.

Well, if you're wishing for blood slaves you're probably an astral nation, as a blood nation would generally just hunt for their sacrificial virgins. But a blood nation with an S9-capable mage might still reasonably decide the extra blood slaves more useful than anything else for the wish: they could almost afford a demon lord and a heliophagus for one wish, whereas wishing would get only one and (I think) you'd need to GoR it as well.

Gregstrom · #9 January 9th, 2009, 09:14 AM

Having been a Lanka with over 100 clams in MP, I can say I only once or perhaps twice wished for Blood Slaves. If you're into serious (possibly excessive) forging and summoning (Infernal Tempest/Crusade spamming, for example), there are times when you feel the need for the extra. They would have been handy if someone had raided or artilleried my blood hunters, too.

I guess if you're a Blood nation who can cast Wish, you probably have enough slaves coming in from hunting that you don't often want the extra - and of course Wish does all sorts of things you can't easily get otherwise.

JimMorrison · #10 January 9th, 2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregstrom

Having been a Lanka with over 100 clams in MP, I can say I only once or perhaps twice wished for Blood Slaves. If you're into serious (possibly excessive) forging and summoning (Infernal Tempest/Crusade spamming, for example), there are times when you feel the need for the extra. They would have been handy if someone had raided or artilleried my blood hunters, too.

Oddly, one could consider mass clamming with a blood nation, to totally supplant manual blood hunting. If you had 100 clams, and thus you were capable of Wishing 250 slaves a turn, turning your blood provinces back to tax production, and freeing up those mages to reanimate/summon/bless/forge could potentially revolutionize your late game.

Of course, as Lanka for example, you might be more than happy to just keep hunting, and roll those wishes into 9 Davanas a turn, or something.