Awe Question

[vfb]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Berserkers ignore awe? I did *not* know that.

If they're berserked, they do, because their morale shoots up to 99. You could try Fear and/or Breath of Winter, plus two shields, and hope that you didn't wound anyone with a useless kick.

But you're still going to die to Morale=30 or Morale=50 units, if all you're counting on is Awe.

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by vfb

But you're still going to die to Morale=30 or Morale=50 units, if all you're counting on is Awe.

Or getting shot/spelled in the face, or getting an unlucky roll. Awe is good when combined with say, high prot and mr. On its own, not so hot.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Sombre

Or getting shot/spelled in the face, or getting an unlucky roll. Awe is good when combined with say, high prot and mr. On its own, not so hot.

Well it's great against indies - and in the case of the Virtue (built in flying adds extra options), boosting MR appropriately means that you can use her later to harass mundane forces who are not adequately mage supported, or just to raid on her own. Just don't make the same mistake that I did, and assume that you can reliably take down 10 Abysian PD without FR. :S

Awe is a funny trick though, its overall usefulness wanes somewhat as the game progresses, and more elite/thug/SC/undead forces come into play. But in many cases, a few thugs with a bit of awe at the front of a clash of huge conventional armies, can really bolster your line's durability significantly.

[Redeyes]

Originally Posted by Sombre

Or getting shot/spelled in the face, or getting an unlucky roll. Awe is good when combined with say, high prot and mr. On its own, not so hot.

Curiosity had me trying the Death 5/Domnions 10 Virtue against independents. What happened?
Air Shield -> Attack Rear, killed by 20 javelins from lion tribe warriors
She can't reliably solo indies before you give her some gear, which makes her less than optimal awake.

[Illuminated One]

Virtue has flying. So you can select the provinces that you attack. Just avoid archer heavy provinces as well as lizards and woodsmen.
Also if you set her to research you should get to const-2 quite fast.
I've used that with a Lady of Springs (much worse for SCing than Virtue) and she did quite well with const-2 gear.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Redeyes

Curiosity had me trying the Death 5/Domnions 10 Virtue against independents. What happened?
Air Shield -> Attack Rear, killed by 20 javelins from lion tribe warriors
She can't reliably solo indies before you give her some gear, which makes her less than optimal awake.

She is a bit more fragile than some other awake combatants, but that is really strange. Until I got the hang of using her (you do want to run numerous tests, she plays differently than say a PoD), she would die seemingly randomly until I got the hang of her.

And for reference, I mentioned that the D5 could be fun, but I usually use her as A4/S4 or A2/S4 with Dom10, and find her quite capable, even before being geared.

[Amorphous]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

She is a bit more fragile than some other awake combatants, but that is really strange. Until I got the hang of using her (you do want to run numerous tests, she plays differently than say a PoD), she would die seemingly randomly until I got the hang of her.

And for reference, I mentioned that the D5 could be fun, but I usually use her as A4/S4 or A2/S4 with Dom10, and find her quite capable, even before being geared.

Roughly my experience of her effectiveness as well. I tend to just go Dom 10 and A4, which leaves 129 points to spend on scales.

From what I remember of my perusing the readme-file, the Virtue is A1S1 in CBM, though, so I guess that is what you are using.