Worst Nations in Each Era

[Wrana]

By the way, Fog Warriors also easily counter Banishment.
Of course, Shinuyama is still better. I think the problem is that lesser Oni are just too pricey to be really useful. But then, if they would be more easily massable, it could be overkill... As for Banishing demons it's quite thematic and Oni MR is on par with other Demons.
Considering nations:
EA: Agartha, I think. Maybe Fomoria.
MA: Oceania, until...
LA: Patala. Maybe Arcoscephales - I just don't see Sybils as good substitute for what they had earlier...

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Wrana

EA: Agartha, I think. Maybe Fomoria.

Fomoria has recruitable, giant SCs which are Mistform + Soul Vortex-capable and can Cloud Trapeze. Not weak.

-Max

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

Fomoria has recruitable, giant SCs which are Mistform + Soul Vortex-capable and can Cloud Trapeze. Not weak.

-Max

Great endame with death access, giant chassis, morrigans:

Top third in strength.

[Omnirizon]

Originally Posted by Wrana

By the way, Fog Warriors also easily counter Banishment.
Of course, Shinuyama is still better. I think the problem is that lesser Oni are just too pricey to be really useful. But then, if they would be more easily massable, it could be overkill... As for Banishing demons it's quite thematic and Oni MR is on par with other Demons.
Considering nations:
EA: Agartha, I think. Maybe Fomoria.
MA: Oceania, until...
LA: Patala. Maybe Arcoscephales - I just don't see Sybils as good substitute for what they had earlier...

I don't think it's necessarily thematic. it's not too hard to find tales of demons who are not susceptible to generic holy powers, who laugh in the face of such power, even utilize it for their own ends. I think it would be both thematic and more balanced if demons were not effected by banish, leaving only the H2 spell smite demon. Rarely are masses of demons used as troops, therefore banish on demons is really a non-factor for gameplay. Only Yomi will really be effected by this, and since it is banish spam which causes them to be considered weak in MP, I think it would be healthy for game play to simply not have demons effected by banish.

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Omnirizon

Rarely are masses of demons used as troops, therefore banish on demons is really a non-factor for gameplay. Only Yomi will really be effected by this, and since it is banish spam which causes them to be considered weak in MP, I think it would be healthy for game play to simply not have demons effected by banish.

Lanka has masses of demon troops, and so does any blood nation spamming Summon Imp or Lifelong Protection, or with Soul Contracts. Thematically I like the idea, but there might be balance problems.

-Max

[P3D]

Originally Posted by Wrana

EA: Agartha, I think. Maybe Fomoria.

Disagree with Agartha being weakest. With proper pretender design one can address most weaknesses, then you have sacred giants recruitable everywhere and Blade Wind spam.

Ermor is weak in EA. While having good expansion speed, there's not that much for midgame.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by P3D

Disagree with Agartha being weakest. With proper pretender design one can address most weaknesses, then you have sacred giants recruitable everywhere and Blade Wind spam.

Ermor is weak in EA. While having good expansion speed, there's not that much for midgame.

Middle game with EA-Ermor *is* often a weakness. Yet, I think they are way strong enough not to be considered the weakest.

I wrote up a thread on them - I consider them quite ok.