Questions about soviet artillery and other in game

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by DRG

FINALLY......

The comment about a 12,7mm HMG taking out a Abrams is, to me, total fantasy, and the fact you repeated it as fact causes me to question any claim you may have to objectivity as this only proves you'll believe just about anything .

Don

I did see a T-62 that was taken out by a USMC LAV-25 during the first Gulf War.
The T-62 was stationary and they drilled a hole in it using the 25mm sabot rounds. As I recall the guy said it took about 100 rounds to do it

[Imp]

In 1 picture M1A2 destroy by 12,7mm HMG. Anyone can destroy M1A2 in game from 12,7mm MG?

Must have been the elusive M1A2 Halftrack

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

I did see a T-62 that was taken out by a USMC LAV-25 during the first Gulf War.
The T-62 was stationary and they drilled a hole in it using the 25mm sabot rounds. As I recall the guy said it took about 100 rounds to do it

I have often heard this 25mm vs T-62 accident (or a similar one) being touted as the "proof" that US armor piercing rounds capabilities are greater than estimated, that DU is uber etc.
Needless to say everyone was pretty vague about the details of the engagement .
Nice to know it was cumulative damage against a static target requiring a disproportional expenditure of ammunition. Any AFV can be penetrated in this way by weapons it would normally be able to resist.

For an historical example see this King Tiger shot up at Kubinka



In the field with it moving and shooting back achieving all those hits would be a bit tad more complicated...

[Kartoffel]

Originally Posted by Marcello

I have often heard this 25mm vs T-62 accident (or a similar one) being touted as the "proof" that US armor piercing rounds capabilities are greater than estimated, that DU is uber etc.
Needless to say everyone was pretty vague about the details of the engagement .
Nice to know it was cumulative damage against a static target requiring a disproportional expenditure of ammunition. Any AFV can be penetrated in this way by weapons it would normally be able to resist.

For an historical example see this King Tiger shot up at Kubinka



In the field with it moving and shooting back achieving all those hits would be a bit tad more complicated...

Do you know what part of the tank the picture features? I would also be interested to know what rounds caused the various sized holes. Nice picture

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

I did see a T-62 that was taken out by a USMC LAV-25 during the first Gulf War.
The T-62 was stationary and they drilled a hole in it using the 25mm sabot rounds. As I recall the guy said it took about 100 rounds to do it

OK, fine but the issue was 12.7 mm rounds not something with 8 times the penetrative ability

Don

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by DRG

OK, fine but the issue was 12.7 mm rounds not something with 8 times the penetrative ability

Don

As Marcello said it was just an example of "could happen" given optimal conditions and lots of ammo.

I suppose you could do the same with 12.7mm AP rounds - eventually. Assume each round puts a 1mm divot in a tanks armor you could drill thru with a few hundred/thousand rounds!

Of course there are always folks fail to see the difference between possible and practical

[Marcello]

Do you know what part of the tank the picture features?

Hull front, as noted.

I would also be interested to know what rounds caused the various sized holes. Nice picture

152mm,122mm and 100mm, both AP and HE, and 85mm AP. US made 76mm was also fired but possibly only at the sides.

It looks more like something cluster ammo would cause.

Not really. HEAT typically leaves small diameter holes.Besides given the angles involved it would be very problematic.

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