Current game effects of thermobaric ammo

[Suhiir]

OOB 11 (Russia)

WC=8 (Inf Flame)
#032 RMG RG Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=15 HEK=50 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=35
#033 TBG-7V Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=11 HEK=55 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=33
#119 ATO FT Acc=30 Whd=45 HEP=0 HEK=25 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=14
#171 TPO FT Acc=30 Whd=45 HEP=0 HEK=30 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=20

WC=9 (Veh Flame)
#117 ATO VFT Acc=20 Whd=45 HEP=0 HEK=40 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=25
#244 220mm FAE Acc=20 Whd=4 HEP=22 HEK=140 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=66

WC=18 (Napalm)
#031 RPO Shmel Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=9 HEK=45 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=27
#068 RPO Shmel-M Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=11 HEK=60 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=30
#076 RPO Rys Acc=15 Whd=3 HEP=6 HEK=30 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=20
#219 ZAB-500 Acc=20 Whd=5 HEP=15 HEK=200 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#221 ZAB-250 Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=8 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0

OOB 12 (US Army)

WC=8 (Inf Flame)
#047 40mm TB Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=4 HEK=10 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=12
#119 Flamethrower Acc=30 Whd=45 HEP=0 HEK=25 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=14
#161 Fougasse Acc=20 Whd=55 HEP=11 HEK=110 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=25

WC=18 (Napalm)
#166 FAE Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=15 HEK=200 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#221 Napalm 250 Acc=5 Whd=3 HEP=5 HEK=50 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#223 Napalm 500 Acc=5 Whd=5 HEP=10 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#239 66mm Rkt Acc=20 Whd=4 HEP=7 HEK=28 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=14

OOB 13 (USMC)

WC=8 (Inf Flame)
#030 40mm TB Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=4 HEK=10 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=12
#119 Flamethrower Acc=30 Whd=45 HEP=0 HEK=25 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=14
#161 Fougasse Acc=20 Whd=55 HEP=11 HEK=110 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=25

WC=18 (Napalm)
#162 SMAW-NE Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=2 HEK=27 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=27
#185 CBU Incen Acc=101 Whd=3 HEP=19 HEK=190 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#221 Napalm 250 Acc=5 Whd=3 HEP=5 HEK=50 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#223 Napalm 500 Acc=5 Whd=5 HEP=10 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
#239 66mm Rkt Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=7 HEK=28 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=14

Ok, given the above data from the current version of the game :

WC=8 (Inf Flame)
RMG RG Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=15 HEK=50 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=35
TBG-7V Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=11 HEK=55 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=33
40mm TB Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=4 HEK=10 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=12

I'm wondering if the HEP rating on the 40mm TB might be a tad low.

WC=18 (Napalm)
OOB 12 (US Army)
#239 66mm Rkt Acc=20 Whd=4 HEP=7 HEK=28 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=14
OOB 13 (USMC)
#239 66mm Rkt Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=7 HEK=28 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=14

Different Warhead size.

WC=18 (Napalm)
RPO Shmel Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=9 HEK=45 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=27
RPO Shmel-M Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=11 HEK=60 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=30
RPO Rys Acc=15 Whd=3 HEP=6 HEK=30 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=20
66mm Rkt Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=7 HEK=28 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=14
SMAW-NE Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=2 HEK=27 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=27

I'm thinking the SMAW-NE might have a higher Acc given the 9mm spotter.

RPO Shmel, 93mm, 2.1kg warhead.
SMAW-NE, 83mm, between 4.35kg and 6.9kg round weight (no specific warhead weight data I could find, I'd assume about 1/2 the round weight so apx. 2 to 3.5kg).

Given this perhaps the HEP, HEK, and HEAT Pen might be reconsidered.

Also the 66mm Rkt uses a 0.61kg napalm warhead and has a higher HEP then the SMAW-NE.

WC=18 (Napalm)
ZAB-500 Acc=20 Whd=5 HEP=15 HEK=200 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
ZAB-250 Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=8 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
FAE Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=15 HEK=200 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
Napalm 250 Acc=5 Whd=3 HEP=5 HEK=50 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
Napalm 500 Acc=5 Whd=5 HEP=10 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
CBU Incen Acc=101 Whd=3 HEP=19 HEK=190 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0

Look at HEK, Napalm=50 & 100, FAE=100 & 200, CBU=190.
Might 190 be a bit low for the CBU?

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Napalm 250 Acc=5 Whd=3 HEP=5 HEK=50 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
Napalm 500 Acc=5 Whd=5 HEP=10 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
CBU Incen Acc=101 Whd=3 HEP=19 HEK=190 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0

Look at HEK, Napalm=50 & 100, FAE=100 & 200, CBU=190.
Might 190 be a bit low for the CBU?

IDK, the Acc=101 makes it the most accurate "napalm" weapon in the game and there are only three weapons with a higher HEP.

There is no other "CBU" more accurate and no other "cluster" weapon that's even close for HEKill.

Don

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by DRG

IDK, the Acc=101 makes it the most accurate "napalm" weapon in the game and there are only three weapons with a higher HEP.

There is no other "CBU" more accurate and no other "cluster" weapon that's even close for HEKill.

Don

For the HEK I was looking at in in relation to :

ZAB-500 Acc=20 Whd=5 HEP=15 HEK=200 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
ZAB-250 Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=8 HEK=100 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0
FAE Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=15 HEK=200 AP Pen=0 HEAT Pen=0

rather then "plain" napalm.

If the Acc=101 isn't a typo then the 10 less HEK compared to a 500# FAE is well and truly irrelevant. I sorta assumed the Acc=101 might be a typo (gee, and we know what assuming gets you)

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

WC=8 (Inf Flame)
RMG RG Acc=20 Whd=3 HEP=15 HEK=50 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=35
TBG-7V Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=11 HEK=55 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=33
40mm TB Acc=20 Whd=2 HEP=4 HEK=10 AP Pen=222 HEAT Pen=12

I'm wondering if the HEP rating on the 40mm TB might be a tad low.

40mm tb is flame, will have 999 pen(game code thing) if hits, so i don't think HEP is really important. Don, Andy, is that true?

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP

40mm tb is flame, will have 999 pen(game code thing) if hits, so i don't think HEP is really important. Don, Andy, is that true?

No, the HE figures for the weapon are used for most of the HE pen stuff.

IF it is a flame weapon and certain internal things happen in the penetration code
THEN it will have 999 pen figure assigned to it for that shot as a 'sure thing'.

Which does not necessarily mean it will kill, just that the flame weapon is odds-on for a penetration.
Kill calculations come after penetration calculations.



Andy