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Old June 10th, 2010, 05:22 AM

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Default Re: Endgame Diversity Mod - Lategame summons, released at last!

Did anyone think that Asynja is a method too convenient to access to blood? For a difficult level of summon air queens and the gems cost equel to a lamia queen(not to mention that for most nations,N gems are more useful than A gems), you have a greater chance to get a blood mage, much easier than lamia queen or tarts.

And if not lucky to get blood, she is still a great SC and raider(or caster of rain of stone)that almost can't be hunted down——golems with returning are good raiders, but they need enemy attack to return, they have poor statistic that hardly competent as SC hunter, and enemy could set a trap with S mage to duel them upon their arrival as I have done before, any success is a great loss to the enemy.

So maybe cut down the Blood random chance of Asynja, and increase the spell requirement and cost will be better ?

As SC, though cyclops have a statistic even better that the pretender version, they are not shining like Asynja. But as a E mage, no doubt they have overshadowed troll kings. So why not gurantee it as SC rather than mage? Like change its path to E2F1?(EF)1 or even(EFAD)1?

Ember Lords are pretty powerful, although without capacity of deep strike make it less versatile comparing tarts. But shouldn't such powerful beings unique? Not one, but.... several or even a dozen different Ember Lords? That will be funny,but maybe too hard,though.....

Some say treant will be easily killed by immobile enemy, so I'd say, it is quite unwise for a sneak sc to attack a province without sneak—— sneak into target province,make sure there's no dangerous enemy, then turn into rooted form, and he will attack that province next turn. As for tree lord, I don't think a caster could have overlap with a sc exept their themes. But combine tree lord and treant into one kind of creature sounds interesting~~

Roc seems better be used as a cheap A3 mage, if not, lower A and plus some random might be an alternate.

Shishi seems interesting, and has been debated alot, but I'd say I can hardly connect this stone-hard air spirit with the stone lion decorated at the gate of some Chinese traditional buildings

Great Krakens are great, but B2 random at first seems useless since no one can cast blood magic beneath the wave and great kraken are not amphibian. But on a second thought, since there is amulet of fish exist, kraken became a quite handy access to blood even better than Asynja.....S2 kraken are excellent raiders, but they are also a convenient access to astral for non-astral nation like oceania, maybe too convenient since it only need W4 and 30 gems? Oh, by the way, in vanilla, no one can access death path if he do not already have it or through blood, yet in this mod, we have Ember Lord, Asynja and Great Kraken to access death via fire, air or water, I'm not sure if it is wise enough.....

grendelkin seems powerful enough yet not overpowered, but it seems a little unconvincible that a mere monster can be much stronger and tougher than titans and demons......

Some say zmey are too powerful against SCs, then why not reduce its attack so that it can be effective against troops yet hard to hit a SC?

Ettin and mechanical giant are not so exiting since they are either not very powerful or have critical flaws. But they are really cheap, so still worth using.

I didn't see any special usefulness or uselessness on fire bird and wendigo, they fit their desingh well,though "any" fire nation may be able to completely negate the strategy of undead/dark vision/demon plus darkness, too easy maybe?

That's all I can imagine, hope it will be useful^^

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Old June 10th, 2010, 06:01 AM
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Default Re: Endgame Diversity Mod - Lategame summons, released at last!

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Did anyone think that Asynja is a method too convenient to access to blood? For a difficult level of summon air queens and the gems cost equel to a lamia queen(not to mention that for most nations,N gems are more useful than A gems), you have a greater chance to get a blood mage, much easier than lamia queen or tarts.
Lamia Queens are only 15n. This mod assumes CBM for balance purposes.

And you're going to build up tarts anyway if you're summoning tarts, so the cost of tarts is not the relevant factor here - you'll just get blood mages automatically as a consequence of building up your tart forces. Indeed, if you focus your GoR uses on tarts with decent random paths (Monstra, titans), I think you'll get more blood mages from tarts than Asynja. Certainly you'll get better blood mages.

Why is blood magic such a big deal anyway? Its the easiest magic path to get into... If you want blood mages, you can use scouts to hunt up 50+ slaves well before you can cast an Asynja and empower your own blood mages.

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As SC, though cyclops have a statistic even better that the pretender version, they are not shining like Asynja. But as a E mage, no doubt they have overshadowed troll kings. So why not gurantee it as SC rather than mage? Like change its path to E2F1?(EF)1 or even(EFAD)1?
Who cares if it overshadows teh troll king. It should. It comes what, 3 research levels later? No one complains that Liches are better death mages than wraithlords of moundkings...

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Great Krakens are great, but B2 random at first seems useless since no one can cast blood magic beneath the wave and great kraken are not amphibian.
Ok, i'll agree B2 as a random on a Kraken is kind of weird.
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