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Old August 9th, 2010, 07:42 AM
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Default Re: OOB database and found errors

Just don't assume when you find a discrepancy it's automatically an error. A tank bought surplus and refitted by nation 'X" may have different RF or FC than others of it's type in service with other nations for example and whoever added it to the OOB may have made adjustments because of that so don't be too hasty to homogenize the database as you may be putting in errors when you think you are correcting them.

There are over 35,000 units in MBT alone and the chances that all units or weapons of one type are exactly the same when used by a dozen or more nations is exactly zero.

Tank ammo used for things like T-72's are another example where the wide variety of sabot/ HEAT types have been set up by what we found was available and not all types were available or purchaced by all the different client states so ammo with the same "date" may not have the same sabot or HEAT pen because they are using two different rounds and virtually all T-72's have different ammo load combinations and that's deliberate. Some have "AP" ammo when no plain "AP" ammo was ever produced for the 125mm gun but those simulate earlier sabot rounds.

My point is if all you do is look down a database list for discrepancies you WILL find them but given all the work that's gone into this in the last few years there is a good chance they may be that way for a reason but I don't keep notes on every one of the 35,000+ units or 15,000+ weapons in that one game

However, things like Greek ammo dumps having a weight of 12.. yeah, that's an error


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Just don't assume when you find a discrepancy it's automatically an error. A tank bought surplus and refitted by nation 'X" may have different RF or FC than others of it's type in service with other nations for example and whoever added it to the OOB may have made adjustments because of that so don't be too hasty to homogenize the database as you may be putting in errors when you think you are correcting them.
Of course, this is a tool to find possible errors and easy cross-checking. You can never override the human judgement and information, this tool should only show the blatant errors and then some possible errors (like the Canadian Bofors example).

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My point is if all you do is look down a database list for discrepancies you WILL find them but given all the work that's gone into this in the last few years there is a good chance they may be that way for a reason but I don't keep notes on every one of the 35,000+ units or 15,000+ weapons in that one game
Sure, only the obvious ones should be reported and some possible ones discussed. Again, this is a tool to help obat editors so you can easily check where this kind of weapon charasteristics usually go. For example in my own mods I have to occasionally cross check the units statistics and then if I want to be sure, I have to check multiple nations. That's how I noted the Czech (IIRC) rocket launcher size 0 and came up with an idea of an automated tool. (So, I finally found some use to my university studies...)

Anyway you guys are doing a stellar job, I just wanted to have an automaton that could inform about mistakes and possible mistakes.

And good news, the Finnish OOB is now the default, 5.0 one. So you can use that to check for apparent mistakes.
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