The Gorn Imperium

[Trajan]

Great! I love the Gorn and always played them when playing Star Fleet Battles (1 and 2). I agree with Tsaarx that while these ships don't look like those in SFB, they are damn nice and will serve very nicely!

Cheers!
Trajan

[Pax]

Very very nice, I like this set a lot.

But not Gorn. If I use them, I'll change the race pic and name ... please don't take offense, Atrocities, by the rant immediately following ...

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I really, really wish people making Trek shipsets using the races from Star Fleet Battles would do some research about said race as it appears in Star Fleet Battles.

The SFB official site can be found --> HERE <--

For examples of EVERY race's ship design look-and-feel, you can go --> HERE <-- for the Tournament Cruiser SSD's (Tournament Cruisers are all balanced to be fair fights for each otehr, barring the interaction fo specific systems from each race; SSD = Ship's System Display, a record keeping device largely for tracking damage to shields and internal systems). These ships are held to be fairly representative of the strengths and weaknesses of each race; I or another SFB veteran on the Boards can answer questions about what each system (often listed only with arcane abbreviations) does, and so on.

Scattered throughout the Starfleet Universe site, by the by, is a lot of artwork depicting various ships from the assorted races of the SFB setting.

Finally, several instances of Gorn ships (as SFB Miniatures) can be found --> HERE <--

It would really REALLY make me happy if folks who want to make such-and-such Star Trek race would make sure that the Race Portrait and Name are not the ONLY things which connect their creation (often otherwise QUITE nice, such as in this case) with the actual Trek race ... especially since there are usually more ship variants in SFB for ONE race, than could be accomodated in any THREE SE4 shipsets ... !
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Atrocities ... it's a gorgeous shipset, and one I will use myself, fairly often in fact. But ... it's most assuredly not a proper Gorn shipset, I'm sorry to say.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Pax:
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I really, really wish people making Trek shipsets using the races from Star Fleet Battles would do some research about said race as it appears in Star Fleet Battles.

**SNIP***

Atrocities ... it's a gorgeous shipset, and one I will use myself, fairly often in fact. But ... it's most assuredly not a proper Gorn shipset, I'm sorry to say.

Uh, dude. Take a pill, really. Where exactly does Atrocities claim this is a Gorn shipset based on Star Fleet Battles? Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see it anywhere. And unless he did, then your rant is not only a bit excessive, but totally uncalled for.

Star Fleet Battles, while a great resource, is not the sum total and canon of the Star Trek universe.

Geoschmo

[Captain Kwok]

Oh well...what can you do? It is very difficult to create an entire 3D modelled shipset from scratch and few people have the time or skill to put it together (some 40 odd ships + crap). DOGA is an easy to use program that comes with a set of parts in which to mash together and build a fleet. While I don't personally care for the program...it still takes some creativity and skill to put a set together.

What's the point?

So the Gorn ships are not the same as the ones in StarFleet battles - fine. It's not official canon so to speak anyway. I'd rather have at least a decent looking shipset than none.

[Baron Munchausen]

Actually, it would be smarter to go to the Online store, here: http://www.starfleetstore.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Categ ory_Code=M to see the pewter miniatures if you want to duplicate the SFB ship designs.

But really, does it matter if this Gorn set is not just like SFB? Who said SFB was cannon? Did a Gorn ship ever appear in the actual Trek series or movies? I don't think so. Which means the race is open to interpretation.

[ July 20, 2002, 02:05: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[Fyron]

Wasn't there a Gorn ship in the episode where Kirk and the Gorn captain fought? Or did we not ever get to see it?

[Puke]

since official star trek canon is written by paramount, im inclined to accept any interpretation wither it comes from a board game, a computer game, or a fan. the idea that paramount gets to put their jackboot down on whats-what in the trek universe is appaling to me, especially given their horrible creative direction.

if someone wants to say that the gorn wear pink bunny ears and dress up in french-maid outfits when they are off duty, thats fine by me.

good golly man, i played SFB when it was published by FASA. the idea that someone is a trek pureist because they cling to an outdated, rules-heavy game made off a license for a TV show, is just an absurdity.

now i like trek, and i like SFB. and i like the darned shipset too. take a laxitive.

[Atrocities]

Um, these Gorn are um, Post STNG era. That is why the ships look differant.

Hey look, I did not think that I was going to stir the hornets nest with this set. It is extremely hard to develop a cannon race based upon small images, no referances, and horrible shots. CASE IN POINT

I have made several Star Trek sets that are not cannon. That is to say, they are as close to cannon as I can make them, and since I have never before seen a Gorn ship, I opted to make them the way I felt they would look based upon my view of the Gorn.

Hell, the Andorian, Hirogen, Kazon, and an un-goddly amount of other ships were developed by me with nothing to work on except my imagination. So if this set is not up to your liking, please by all means, make a new set. I will gladly use it in my games. Until then, I hope my imagination will surfice.

I really, really wish people making Trek shipsets using the races from Star Fleet Battles would do some research about said race as it appears in Star Fleet Battles.

Pax, if you want to make the set, by all means you have my blessing. Just go learn 3d Studio Max, Povray and Movray, or even DOGA.

To be honest with you, I had no fricking clue that SFB had a Gorn set. IF I had, I would have tried to model the set a bit more closely to that. Hell I might even still try to do that. But in the intrum, if you don't like the racial picture, then feel free to use whatever you wish. You have my blessing.

[ July 20, 2002, 01:04: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Atrocities]

CLICK HERE for the Gorn EMP files.

OK, FIXED NOW. SORRY ABOUT THAT .

[ July 20, 2002, 01:27: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[sachmo]

I'm just getting the race zip file from that link, Atrocities.