Polish OOB 5.5

[DRG]

When there is a discrepancy between a unit in the Russian OOB and an identical unit in any other OOB the Russian OOB info shall be deemed correct.

The Russian OOB was extensively reworked a couple years ago but unit updating did not extend to customer states because there simply wasn't enough time to do that. So yes, if there are differences in the Polish or Czech or East German or whatever nations units for an identical Russian one then the Russian info should be used.

It's been my intent to make those corrections when time allows but I keep getting piled on and never get the chance so it's going to be done in increments

PLEASE NOTE---none of that applies to ANY 125mm gun/ammo issue. That work has already been done and Russia uses combinations of Sabot and HEAT not found in other OOB's. AND the correct ammo for Russian supplied main guns has already been made to customer states. What I am refering to is FC or RF or stabilizers mainly


Don

[Pibwl]

As for flamethrower tanks: unfortunatley, Russian sources don't tell explicitly, that "they weren't exported". They only don't tell anything about their export, which also may be some hint. There were made only 110 TO-54, and TO-55 wasn't numerous either (no exact data are given).

Originally Posted by DRG

When there is a discrepancy between a unit in the Russian OOB and an identical unit in any other OOB the Russian OOB info shall be deemed correct.

That's why I pick these discrepancies.

Originally Posted by DRG

AND the correct ammo for Russian supplied main guns has already been made to customer states. What I am refering to is FC or RF or stabilizers mainly

By the "correct ammo" you mean penetration values for specific guns only?..

Michal

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

By the "correct ammo" you mean penetration values for specific guns only?..

Michal

I shall endeavor to be more clear in the future

In SP "ammo" differences and improvements are reflected by the stats in the "weapon" or "gun" so in this case I was refering to the distribution of different HEAT and SABOT ammo types ( like BM-9 or BK-12 etc etc etc etc) to the Russian and other states using the 125mm gun and NOT the distrubution of HEAT and Sabot or HE etc ammo to the UNIT itself.

Don

[Marcello]

As for flamethrower tanks: unfortunatley, Russian sources don't tell explicitly, that "they weren't exported". They only don't tell anything about their export, which also may be some hint. There were made only 110 TO-54, and TO-55 wasn't numerous either (no exact data are given).

Well, production numbers are already a start and certainly lean heavily towards them not being exported to everyone and his uncle. Generally I tend to be cautious on such matter, as proving the absence of something is always harder than the reverse. So far I have only asked for the T-62 flamethrowers to be removed from the OOBs I focused on, as I got info that no such variant was mass produced and likely not even designed.

That being said there is always the possibility that a nation or two got delivery of such niche equipment, therefore I asked.
It appears that North Korea possibly got some OT-34s based on the 1943 model for example but I have yet to verify it.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Marcello

So far I have only asked for the T-62 flamethrowers to be removed from the OOBs I focused on, as I got info that no such variant was mass produced and likely not even designed.

That being said there is always the possibility that a nation or two got delivery of such niche equipment, therefore I asked.
It appears that North Korea possibly got some OT-34s based on the 1943 model for example but I have yet to verify it.

M. Baryatynski doesn't list such T-62 variant in his "Sovetskaya bronetankovaya tekhnika 1945-95" vol.1.
As for OT-34 in Korea - delivering wartime surplus, made in 1170 units, is more likely, than TO-54/55.

Michal

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well we've certainly run into this problem before. Unfortunately it would seem that the older the equipment the harder it is to find tangible and reliable information on it unless your dealing with historical issues associated with wars. So with that in mind and with the understanding that a couple of these refs are relevant to the current discussion going on in the other two threads from yesterday, I shall attempt to "muddy the waters" a little on the flame tank issue at hand for the T-62 or if you will the OT-62. Bottom line I think we're left with a conundrum.

First; I've put this out there elsewhere probably in the MBT thread but the USA felt the Soviets had this tank as it appears in INO534 Edition D Lesson 1; Note the TERMINAL LEARNING OBJECTIVE Section before moving on.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...n0534/lsn1.htm

Second; A useful site you've seen before from me and some others, but before you start go right to the bottom and read his Source section first. Alright please!
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/T-62.html

Third; Side note info on OT-54 and OT-55.
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/tanks/ot-54.php
WHEN IN DOUBT GO TO THE BUILDER. Below and at the bottom right you can see the only prototype left of "OBJECT 483" from above.
http://tankmuseum.ru/p2.html

Fourth; Though now in the Ukraine it was one of the PRIMARY tank plants used by the Soviet Union/Russia. The others are in Kirovsky (No longer making them.) and currently the three major tank assembly plants in Russia are KharTcov, Nizhniy Tagil (Developer of the T-62.) and Omsk. These guys below built most of them based on it's location to the "front lines" and other factors. Explore it lots of good info here especially clicking on the tank types for all the standard version info along side the let us show you what we can do with them now stuff in the upgrade packages section. Vehicles section will show you all the tanks built under "Russian influence".
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/index.php?page=m1

Well I'm of before I get in trouble!! Have a great weekend!

Regards,
Pat

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Well we've certainly run into this problem before. Unfortunately it would seem that the older the equipment the harder it is to find tangible and reliable information on it unless your dealing with historical issues associated with wars. So with that in mind and with the understanding that a couple of these refs are relevant to the current discussion going on in the other two threads from yesterday, I shall attempt to "muddy the waters" a little on the flame tank issue at hand for the T-62 or if you will the OT-62. Bottom line I think we're left with a conundrum.

First; I've put this out there elsewhere probably in the MBT thread but the USA felt the Soviets had this tank as it appears in INO534 Edition D Lesson 1; Note the TERMINAL LEARNING OBJECTIVE Section before moving on.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...n0534/lsn1.htm

Second; A useful site you've seen before from me and some others, but before you start go right to the bottom and read his Source section first. Alright please!
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/T-62.html

We discussed this in the past on tanknet (likely in some other thread as well IIRC). The conclusion was that somebody (likely at Jane's) at some point, likely during the Cold War, must have assumed that since flamethrower variants had been produced for the T-34/54/55 then the T-62 must have had it too. This turned out to be a faulty assumption.

[Marcello]

As for OT-34 in Korea - delivering wartime surplus, made in 1170 units, is more likely, than TO-54/55

Note however that OT-34s were made throught the war, so it is not a given that there were many more of them at the end of the WW2 than OT-54/TO-55 at the end of their production run.