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March 1st, 2012, 04:14 PM
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Re: Pretender astral
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If you put astral on your pretender, they are vulnerable to Magic Duel.
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If you put really high astral on your pretender (like 7+) - enemy will have to throw at you his best astral mages at large quantities. I doubt if it`s really possible for s1 mage to harm your s9 pretender.
Anyway, it`s much easier to spam Soul slay until it works.
Also, with d3 you can just summon a spectre (stealthy mage with some astral) and make him sneak with your pretender to avoid mindhunts.
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(and those penetration items will cost your enemies a fortune so it is highly unlikely for them to be even cost effective to kill your pretender)
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You can always find uses for penetration-boosted s4 mage. 
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March 1st, 2012, 04:58 PM
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Re: Pretender astral
I'm sorry if I've posted similar elsewhere and can't get the answer through my head, but.....
You've got: - Magic Duel
- Mind Hunt
- Mind Burn (from MH)
- Soul Slay (from MH)
- Others...
Of these, is it only Magic Duel which ignores all boosters, spells etc. and compares native Astral levels alone (for the fight part)? (I believe the Mind-Hunt-cord-detection roll might also ignore boosters?) I seem to get stuck on this...
Also, do things like Luck or Anti-Magic help? Is it that they have no effect in Magic Duel, but do affect the other stuff?
It would be nice to have a really concise, definite answer!
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March 1st, 2012, 06:19 PM
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Re: Pretender astral
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Originally Posted by Shardphoenix
I doubt if it`s really possible for s1 mage to harm your s9 pretender.
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It's not. Magic duel is 1d6+base astral, and the roll isn't open ended. With 6 a tie is still possible, 7+ and you're 100% safe from s1 mages. But beware those s2s still, and even with 9 an s3 could do you in.
That said, I kinda doubt anyone's going to send a precious s3 mage (or rather, a dozen of them) to attempt a do-or-die trick that only works 1/36 times... unless they have nothing else to lose of course.
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March 1st, 2012, 06:30 PM
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Re: Pretender astral
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Originally Posted by Kobal2
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Originally Posted by Shardphoenix
I doubt if it`s really possible for s1 mage to harm your s9 pretender.
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It's not. Magic duel is 1d6+base astral, and the roll isn't open ended. With 6 a tie is still possible, 7+ and you're 100% safe from s1 mages. But beware those s2s still, and even with 9 an s3 could do you in.
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Err, no, if you are S9 you are safe from any S3, following your own correct reasoning? S7 safe from S1, S8 safe from S2, S9 safe even from S3.
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March 1st, 2012, 08:36 PM
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Re: Pretender astral
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Originally Posted by JonBrave
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Originally Posted by Kobal2
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Originally Posted by Shardphoenix
I doubt if it`s really possible for s1 mage to harm your s9 pretender.
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It's not. Magic duel is 1d6+base astral, and the roll isn't open ended. With 6 a tie is still possible, 7+ and you're 100% safe from s1 mages. But beware those s2s still, and even with 9 an s3 could do you in.
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Err, no, if you are S9 you are safe from any S3, following your own correct reasoning? S7 safe from S1, S8 safe from S2, S9 safe even from S3.
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Errr, yes, quite so !  Not safe from S4 then. Making it even more of a longshot anyone's ever trying it on you 
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