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April 18th, 2012, 03:54 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
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There's a lot of love for clams and blood stones...
At least in my crowd...
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Well you're hanging with a stupid crowd then.
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April 18th, 2012, 04:27 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
I for one would also like to note how gem generators are a retarded mechanic that deserved to be removed. The hammers I'm not as sure about, but I do agree that they were important enough for about any nation design to consider a way to get them so they obscured strategies other.
But about gemgens. Along with the absolutely horrible micromanagement the biggest issue for me is that the gemgen income was next to impossible to stop. Blood income can be stopped with (good enough) raiding or advancing armies as can site based gem income. Globals can also be dispelled or replaced. Gold income stops as provicnes are lost or unrest is high enough. Gem generators you can have on a horde of scouts hiding somewhere and in general very safe from any threat.
If gemgens were fairly fragile and easily spottable and not very mobile things you had to spread around your lands (like let's say they'd each improve output of a magical site with diminishing mariginal returns or some non-gem income related reason) they would be fine. Blood hunting is fine since it requires peaceful provinces, continuous mage turns and bringing your mages in the open to risk death or building forts everywhere. As a bonus even if the forts are everywhere they are stopped from getting slaves by sieging the forts. Gemgens in vanilla are not even nearly comparable to blood hunting in vanilla due to this.
I do also prefer gameplay that doesn't reward turtling as much as gemgens did. I mean, even after the removal some nations and strategies are still fine with rather passive playing.
I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion on the gemgens, but I personally find them as implemented in Dominions 3 a horrible mechanic that deserved to be removed (or well, items made unique). I cannot understand anyone who thinks they are an universally good thing for the game (multiplayer anyway) and I have yet to see an argument for the gemgens that doesn't make the writer seem dumb in my eyes.
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April 18th, 2012, 07:28 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
I use them on battlefield mages, its just such a convenience not to have to shift gems around as much. 
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April 19th, 2012, 02:33 AM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
Well, sure, if you play singleplayer absolutely any point for or against gemgens is moot since the AI is so very retardedly terrible anyway and it's not like gemgens are going to turn the tide.
If you do that in multiplayer... good god.
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April 19th, 2012, 04:21 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
We have a rule at my house. When the relatives come over... No discussions of religion, politics, or gemgens. Aunt Mabel once tossed a hot sweet potatoe filled with butter and brown sugar at grampa Mick when an innocent gemgen discussion escalated a couple Thanksgivings ago. Monkey pd is also off limits as grampa Mick likes to talk trash when he gets a couple Sherrys in him.
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April 20th, 2012, 04:20 AM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
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Originally Posted by sansanjuan
We have a rule at my house. When the relatives come over... No discussions of religion, politics, or gemgens. Aunt Mabel once tossed a hot sweet potatoe filled with butter and brown sugar at grampa Mick when an innocent gemgen discussion escalated a couple Thanksgivings ago. Monkey pd is also off limits as grampa Mick likes to talk trash when he gets a couple Sherrys in him.
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good thing your house isn't a discussion forum I guess
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April 20th, 2012, 02:01 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
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Whine whine, I'm calling the mods
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In the interest of full disclosure, I reported this message for baiting Calahan. Dude, you are not a mod, don't try to act like one.
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April 20th, 2012, 02:08 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
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Whine whine, I'm calling the mods
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I'm a hat and I've told on you.
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And you should know I've reported you for being a snitch!
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April 20th, 2012, 02:12 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
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Originally Posted by Executor
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Whine whine, I'm calling the mods
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I'm a hat and I've told on you.
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And you should know I've reported you for being a snitch!
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Really? But you didn't report my (clearly trolling) bows vs crossbows post? I'm sad.
And thanks for the full disclosure. I can deal with disagreements or people not liking me, as long as they simply make it clear. 
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April 20th, 2012, 02:15 PM
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Re: Blood stones and MR
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Originally Posted by Soyweiser
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Originally Posted by Executor
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I'm a hat and I've told on you.
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And you should know I've reported you for being a snitch!
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And thanks for the full disclosure. I can deal with disagreements or people not liking me, as long as they simply make it clear.
P.S. I think Executor is a much better person and a Dominions player than me.
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While, thank you!
Well, wotcha expect after taking Gath dude? Not cool... 
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