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Old June 11th, 2012, 09:28 PM
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1) 99 is the maximum suppression level.

2) At the admin phase, suppression may be adjusted due to various factors, that is not under your control. e.g. it may be increased due to say being in a fire hex, or being depleted, or reduced due to a nearby commanders presence, or it may have fired and killed a unit itself (or friends may have done so) perhaps in reaction fire (which can delete a few S points).

3) Units with high suppression can be in rout status, but routers do not always retreat especially if in trenches, or cover, and are not aware of nearby enemy, or are Japanese, or just simply because they decide not to retreat if they thought there was no clear path to do so. Such routers are effectively "neutralised" - too stunned to do anything but cower.

4) If a unit is below dispersion level and then it retreats then it may auto-disperse, or not, as the dice are thrown by the internal routines. If it is not known to the enemy then you may not see a message. (Messages giving "free info" to the enemy on e.g. retreating crews not in LOS - were removed in the DOS versions >5 years ago). SP messages are available to all players. Or several messages arrived simultaneously, and all you see is the last one (e.g. with fast arty on).

Basically - the games are deliberately not chess-like. A+B+C usually gives C as a result, but it depends on the various random chance throws. So D and E (and others) are always possible outcomes. Especially when it comes to reaction results.

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2) At the admin phase, suppression may be adjusted due to various factors, that is not under your control. e.g. it may be increased due to say being in a fire hex, or being depleted, or reduced due to a nearby commanders presence, or it may have fired and killed a unit itself (or friends may have done so) perhaps in reaction fire (which can delete a few S points).

4) If a unit is below dispersion level and then it retreats then it may auto-disperse, or not, as the dice are thrown by the internal routines. If it is not known to the enemy then you may not see a message. (Messages giving "free info" to the enemy on e.g. retreating crews not in LOS - were removed in the DOS versions >5 years ago). SP messages are available to all players. Or several messages arrived simultaneously, and all you see is the last one (e.g. with fast arty on).

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From what you say in point 2 I gather that there is no auto-rally in the sense of a normal manual rally attempt, just an adjustment in suppression due to various factors. Is this correct?

Re: item 4 - this unit was a Polish squad. It started with a strength of 19 and was at 14 at the time this occurred. I wouldn't think this would be below dispersion level. From observation these units dispersed when their strength went down to the vicinity of 5. That's why I was surprised when the unit wasn't there at the start of the next turn.
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