Polish OOB

[SaS TrooP]

1. You mean editing OOB in my game? Not really, as I said, I am not good with that.

2. That is not really any sort of complaint. I am just informing you that efficiency is down pretty badly. This makes German and other scenarios way easier. Funny thing is that I have seen a scenario or two where designer manually adjusted that. All I ask is to consider that thing in the game. Italians have it? Why not the others if necessary?
At this moment Polish quite often seem to be loosing firefights they should not. I came up for this idea after playing couple of September 1939 PBEMs, against Slovaks, Germans, Soviets etc.

3. Not sure what do you mean by that. I mentioned weapons only as a detail.

4. Rifles are actually pretty well covered. This is what I like in this game and this is why I mentioned Wz. 98 and Wz. 29. As for grenades - just noting that, nothing else - there is a significant difference in "kill" statistic (3:0 and 6:0). These grenades pretty much include the difference in Polish division of grenade. Our doctrine used to (not sure how it is now) differ them between typical "fragmentation grenades" (which is Ob = obronny), such as soviet F-1 grenade and those grenades relying on explosion power rather than fragmentation (Za = zaczepny), such as soviet RG-42. This division seems quite dead for me and I just don't get why we include two different grenades.
But as I said, it's just a mention, do as you like with it.

That platoon is key argument.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by SaS TrooP

I just don't get why we include two different grenades.

The original OOB designer had one (1) Grenade ( weapon 87 Granat wz.24) then the OOB was modified.....by a Pole........ to include both the Ob and the Za and I am NOT tearing them all out and having to issue corrected units for EVERY scenario that uses 1939 era Polish units because when you remove a weapon and leave a blank it makes scenhack scream and that makes me unhappy ........all for change that is totally insignificant to gameplay

It's right up there with the Kb wz. 98a vs Kb wz. 98 issue

I UNDERSTAND the platoon is the key issue, do you understand the work that went into creating the 19 man infantry graphics because the Poles used 19 man platoons and in 10 year + this is the first time anyone has even suggested it's wrong ?

Don

[wulfir]

IIRC, in older versions of the game the Polish 1939 rifle platoon was made up of five-six smaller sections...

[DRG]

Originally Posted by wulfir

IIRC, in older versions of the game the Polish 1939 rifle platoon was made up of five-six smaller sections...

Which everyone ( well maybe not everyone but everyone at the time ) agreed gave the Polish infanty TOO MUCH tactical flexibility