Random Battle Balance

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Ravindau

Assuming that is so, I see 3 connected reasons why the defender must be at a disadvantage in Quick Battles:

The defender has less battle points in a generated battle but if the defending side is commanded by a human this outweighs any other factor.

I usually play on big size maps, the smallest size campaign I have played was a US 44-45 Airborne Long Campaign using 60x60 maps, so I'm not sure how a 30x30 game "behaves" - but I would argue that a long battle works in favour of defending human player - who will have time to defeat enemy forces and recapture lost terrain. But, then again, I'm not sure if 30x30 allows for much manouver space...

[Ravindau]

Originally Posted by wulfir

I usually play on big size maps, the smallest size campaign I have played was a US 44-45 Airborne Long Campaign using 60x60 maps, so I'm not sure how a 30x30 game "behaves" - but I would argue that a long battle works in favour of defending human player - who will have time to defeat enemy forces and recapture lost terrain. But, then again, I'm not sure if 30x30 allows for much manouver space...

Map size aside, are you sure we are talking about small pts here?

2000 vs. 740, how is the defender going to recapture anything after he has been completely wiped out?

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Ravindau

Map size aside, are you sure we are talking about small pts here?

I played with 890 battle points vs XXX.

Originally Posted by Ravindau

....how is the defender going to recapture anything after he has been completely wiped out?

Play the game more and the AI will not wipe you out.

[Ravindau]

Originally Posted by wulfir

I played with 890 battle points vs XXX.

Play the game more and the AI will not wipe you out.

Since you asked for it:

Try this:

Polish Poison Challenge
by Ravindau

Poland assaults Gernany, Sept 1939
2.000 : XXX (about 740)

All preferences on except AI tank-heavy.
Everything at 100%/XXX.

Poland computer, but with Human Buy.
You get to play the poor, hapless Germans.

For Poland, buy the following:

5x Infantry Company
4x Armoured Car Platoon (3)
1x Hvy. Arty Batty 105mm (4)
1x Hvy. Arty Batty 120mm (4)

If you have some points left, buy a Sniper.

I think 30x30 is most realistic, but play it on a 60x60 if you like. Shouldn´t make much of a difference.

You may well pull a win out of your hat, but I´d say it will keep you busy for a while.

And I can´t really see anybody wanting to play this Human vs. Human as the defending side, so it´s an example of what I´m meaning when I say the pts balance is somewhat skewed.

[Ravindau]

Originally Posted by wulfir

I played with 890 battle points vs XXX.

Play the game more and the AI will not wipe you out.

Since you asked for it:

Try this:

Polish Poison Challenge
by Ravindau

Poland assaults Gernany, Sept 1939
2.000 : XXX (about 740)

All preferences on except AI tank-heavy.
Everything at 100%/XXX.

Poland computer, but with Human Buy.
You get to play the poor, hapless Germans.

For Poland, buy the following:

5x Infantry Company
4x Armoured Car Platoon (3)
1x Hvy. Arty Batty 105mm (4) Edit: Clarification: Off-map guns.
1x Hvy. Arty Batty 120mm (4)

If you have some points left, buy a Sniper.

I think 30x30 is most realistic, but play it on a 60x60 if you like. Shouldn´t make much of a difference.

You may well pull a win out of your hat, but I´d say it will keep you busy for a while.

And I can´t really see anybody wanting to play this Human vs. Human as the defending side, so it´s an example of what I´m meaning when I say the pts balance is somewhat skewed.

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Ravindau

You get to play the poor, hapless Germans.

The Polish force is strong in infantry but weak in nearly all other areas.

No AA. Buy a spotter plane - you'll discover their main effort - shell them as they approach. The Poles have limited AT capability. Buy tanks. The Poles have no engineers. Buy mines and obstacles, etc.

Even with a mostly infantry based force the human player still has an advantage vs the AI.

[Ravindau]

Originally Posted by wulfir

The Polish force is strong in infantry but weak in nearly all other areas.

No AA. Buy a spotter plane - you'll discover their main effort - shell them as they approach. The Poles have limited AT capability. Buy tanks. The Poles have no engineers. Buy mines and obstacles, etc.

How? You have *690 pts* (740 - HQ). Have you actually tried it?

The Armoured Cars provide a distraction, then the infinite Rifles will overrun you, and if you have an island of strong resistance, the Arty will flatten it.

Even if you -marvellously- manage a win against the AI, would you want to try this against a human attacker?

If Attack vs. Defence is equally balanced, this shouldn´t be a problem to defend against a human player. Note that my Polish Poison Cocktail uses only plain and ordinary stuff; nothing rare and outlandish that borders cheating.

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Ravindau

How? You have *690 pts* (740 - HQ). Have you actually tried it?

Sure, weak German tank company with dismounted Kradschutzen platoon in support beefed up with two MG34 sections and two mortar sections. Storch spotter plane overhead.

The result is a massacre of Polish infantry.