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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Don when we entered the much improved M2A3 BRADLEY BUSK/BUSK III (The major improvement was it gave them a true " hunter killer" FCS system amongst others to include defensive one's.) and I have to check it against my submission posts also, but if not mistaken I don't believe we gave it artillery observation powers. Well unless we missed it we should've especially after you read the following as I just did. Still I don't recall seeing it at the time.
Here's the quote...
The Army Acquisition Support Center website says the M2A3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle features upgrades across much of the on-board systems that "provide 'hunter-killer target handoff' capability." The M2A3 IFVs and their crews are also the " Eyes of the Artillery," the ASC website said. The on-board technology the 2-137th will be using " can acquire, identify, track and designate targets while mounted and under armor, enhancing crew survivability."
Here's the ref.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april..._10104171.html
ASC as referred to is the following...
http://www.aschq.army.mil/home/AboutUs.aspx
Units effected are...
USA-889/898&899 A note about UNIT 889 the TI/GSR should be 50 vice 40. All " BUSK" units at the time received the same upgrades.
The " rub" here reading the article indicates that now all the M2A3 BRADLEY's ( Article makes no mention of "BUSK" units.)have the new FCS and " Eyes of the Artillery (ETA)" equipment now. This is a "no brainier" only in that the regular ARMY will generally be fitted out before the National Guard starts getting the upgrades. In taking that logical step that means probably within the last couple of years (Or more.) the process of upgrading the M2A3 had started and is either completely finished or a " sneeze away" from being finished.
Those M2A3 UNITS would be...
USA-306/666&668. These should only be improved and limited to the FCS (to include TI/GSR) and again the "ETA".
No out of service UNITS by date would make the "cut" to be improved.
All this for reading my, well for today, evening papers. I guess, I should STOP reading my "papers"? 
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Pat
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April 3rd, 2017, 09:49 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
This further supports my last Post on the M2A3, though good sources, these next two should cover the rest "of the bases" from second to home plate.
Ref. 1 very first para addresses this very simply and Ref. 2 is directly from the USA. Ref. 3 in particular the section below the M1200 picture would confirm we're right on our 2012 fielding date for our "BUSK" M2A3's and also when the artillery and target painting laser was also available.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...21-71/appi.htm
https://www.army.mil/article/185239/..._at_fort_riley
https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/f...pons4_1012.pdf
I should think this should cover it, if not, you know where to find me. 
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Pat
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April 20th, 2017, 12:56 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Just got home from work around 11pm caught up on my news and a program than checked my in this case "paper" and found this, but, first I asked myself is this India? No it's the GAO the title actually says it all more then the sample article.
http://www.janes.com/article/69669/a...ecommend-delay
I don't have time now to dig further I need to get my "butt" to bed as I have my "fight course" in the morning. If no one else posts any further articles on the topic I'll see what I can come up with tomorrow late afternoon or evening.
Tonight I dream about the "Red Man"!?! 
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April 20th, 2017, 04:12 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
I always feel better after fighting the "Red Man" a couple of times in the heat of a SE Ga. day. Anyway I hit " pay-dirt" and if they abide by the delay the only USMC amphibious replacement program we're likely to see in the game will be the AVC 1.1 if you read the article it covers all the issues, if not, I'll be nice enough to tell just read the lower left section of this ref. and you'll see where I'm coming from.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/684147.pdf
Note the GAO normally gets it's way where money is concerned.
For very recent background information, this is very good...
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R42723.pdf
Forgot to add...My MARINE friend out here was one of the very first to question the troop carrying capacity of these vehicles 10 vs standard 13 for a squad. I think she secretly works on the GAO Military Advisory Committee or MAC but not like "Hey Mac" - might get you a dirty look from her!?!
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