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Old September 9th, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Default Re: Spanish OOB32 and OOB33 v.11 (2018)

Spain OOB33:

29 SdKfz 223 (Fu) - photo is SdKfz 221, could be 27523

287 CB FA-I - if they were delivered in 10/36 to Republic, it seems it should take a couple months before they were captured and reused.. [now 9/36] Same for 289 CB BA-6 delivered at the same time.

294, 304 CCI Tipo 1937 - I've found no information, that MG-only armed variant existed, only 20mm one is described. Anyway, it was one prototype, so the first entry should end before the second one. BMG was actually twin 7 mm Hotchkiss.
Speed was only 36 km/h [now 15] - "Blindados en Espana" book and http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...CI-Tipo-37.php

298,299 CL T-26 (E) - better photo with Nationalist markings is 18083 (as unit 295)

301 Verdeja I - with is extremely low profile, size might be 2 - http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...n/verdeja-no-1
CMGs should be twin, not separate.
The only prototype was tested already from 1/39 [now 4/39]

306 Verdeja II - it's actually Verdeja SPG http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...7540mm-verdeja , not Verdeja II http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...n/verdeja-no-2 (which was a prototype tank from 8/44)
Verdeja SPG was rebuilt from Verdeja I not earlier, than in May 1945

409,410 CTV Lancia IZ, IZM - according to "Blindados en Espana" book, both variants disembarked on 22 December 36 [now 6/36 and 2/37]. Armament of Lancia IZM was two independent MGs in a turret and rear MG. Now it has twin MG and a BMG, but turret MGs were individually operated, so maybe they should be single #228 TMG, while rear MG had no practical usage apart from withdrawing. Lancia IZ has a single 6.5mm MG now, but it should have two as well. It also had a single smaller top MG turret, but it isn't clear if they were mounted anymore.
Better icon is 1494, more similar and with two machine guns.
Crew according to that book and https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_1Z was 6 (as in Italian OOB).

Same for units 415,416 Lancia IZ, IZM (which use different icon BTW)

BTW: same for Italian OOB units 65,66 Lancia IZ, IZM as for icon (or variants 1495, 1497) and weapons

346 Infanteria Azul - a minor thing, but a picture are German FJg with their specific helmets

That should be all for Spains.

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Default Re: Spanish OOB32 and OOB33 v.11 (2018)

I've noticed one more thing, while reading Polish article on German attack aircraft:

Spain OOB33:
378 He 51 Cadenas, 379 CASA C- 51 - bomb load 500kg is impossible for this plane (all useful load was 440 kg) - and the quoted article explicitly says, that He 51 were first used by Nationalists as pure strafers, then Legion Condor started to employ them with 6x10 kg bombs (the same load in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_51) - from early 1937, I guess? (the Legion arrived in November).

From late 1937 there was produced attack variant He 51C-1 with 4x50 kg bombs, which appeared in Spain, but I don't know when.

BTW: I think that name CASA is not justified, since they weren't manufactured in Spain; neither Spanish Wikipedia uses it https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_51


Same for German OOB unit 340 He 51 - early one could use 6x10 kg bombs at best [now 2x50 kg]

Apparently the same for Bulgarian unit 157 He 51 Sokol - they were He 51B (Bulgarian book "Air Power of the Kingdom of Bulgaria" vol.3 indicates 2 MGs only anyway, so it isn't clear if they had bomb racks at all...)

Spain:
374 Ju 87B1 Stupido, 375 CASA C-87B - typical single bomb was 500 kg, 1000 kg could be carried with overload (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87) - and I don't know if such heavy bombs wee used in Spain, anyway typical variant might be better.

BTW: it isn't clear, if they and 376 CASA C-87G were used in Spain after SCW at all - Legion Condor ones returned to Germany, and it is strange, that Spanish Wikipedia doesn't list Spain among users at all... https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87. Neither Wings Palette lists any Spanish color profiles apart from SCW http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/29/67

370, 371 Breda Ba.65 - although Italian Wikipedia says "1000 kg (carico teorico)" (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.65) but in fact according to articles they could take 4 x max 100kg in a bomb bay (though usually it was 4x50kg). Spanish Wikipedia confirms 50 and 100 kg bombs https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.65 - and doesn't mention, that Bredas were used after SCW...

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374 Ju 87B1 Stupido, 375 CASA C-87B - typical single bomb was 500 kg, 1000 kg could be carried with overload (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87) - and I don't know if such heavy bombs wee used in Spain, anyway typical variant might be better.

BTW: it isn't clear, if they and 376 CASA C-87G were used in Spain after SCW at all - Legion Condor ones returned to Germany, and it is strange, that Spanish Wikipedia doesn't list Spain among users at all... https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87. Neither Wings Palette lists any Spanish color profiles apart from SCW http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/29/67
Polish article on Spain and Portugal during WW2 lists aircraft bought by Spain along with other equipment in 1943: 15 Bf 109F, 10 Ju 88 and 12 Do 24T - doesn't mention Ju 87.
Neither it was used by Esc. Azul https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuadrilla_Azul

BTW:482 25mm Canon AT - bought in 1943 (no mention about eventual earlier deliveries)

489 75mm PaK40 Azul - they were also bought by Spain in 1943, not only used by Azul

According to the article, Spain also bought 150 ex-Soviet 122mm canons and ZB-37 HMGs.

372 Reparto G.50bis - Spain didn't use fighter-bomber G.50bis, only pure G.50 pre-series fighters left after SCW: Una vez concluidas las hostilidades, estos aparatos quedaron en manos españolas y constituyeron, junto con los Heinkel He 112, el Regimiento Mixto de África, basado en Nador. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.50
So it should be strafer only, possibly used earlier.
(I'm not sure why Reparto G.50 instead of just Fiat - the same unit 362)
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