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[chris h]

Originally Posted by Felix Nephthys

But isn't the type of situation you describe (a unit wanting to fire at another unit outside of LOS) the exact reason we have artillery, mortars, air support?

As for hex density, I don't think it works that way. I never knew about any percentage, just a rating. The way I know it is that anything over 30 density in a hex and you can't see past it to another hex beyond, and the density is cumulative.

I've always looked at 30 density as 30%, a building should have 100 and block fire completely so once you get to 100 density over a number of hexes fire is blocked but that isn't the case now. In the example I posted one hex is 100% blocked due to the house the wheat field is 15%. You should be able to area/recon fire into the enemy hex. You can't because it can't see the hex.

Here's another. The MG should be able to area fire down the trail at the two units. Again it can't, it can fire at the hexes it can see. Just because you can actually see a location it does not mean you fire in the general direction. Bullets don't magically stop just because you can't actually see the location.

Yes, that's why you have art but you miss the point. Previously you could fire at a location, as I've just said, now to pin down a unit before closing to a location you could actually see it from no matter what that range is. Now you have to stop and work round to somewhere you can actually see the hex before you can fire at it without any suppressing fire. Alternatively you can call down artillery, actualy mortars as you'll be too close for big stuff. Whatever artilley it is, it takes somewhere in excess >1 turn, usually between 2/3 turns. This will slow the game down so some of the scenarios/campaigns that say move quickly or are severely limited in time will become impossible in the time frame allowed.

There is of cause the Banzai option.

One further thing I'm now experimenting with a campaign I'm playing using the new rules. It's hard due to all the observation I've mentioned above. Where my loss rate in men was moderate under the old it has increase considerably under the new
I've also tried the artillery method but the game slowed to crawl.

Everything else in the patch is really good but I'm not impressed by most of the new z key rules although I can live with the no F key use, just means more clicking.

I'm still using the new version but I'm likely to revert back very shortly.

[chris h]

For some reason the image wouldn't post. FOund it was too big had to zip it.

[Felix Nephthys]

Well the point as I see it with the new Z fire rules is to make the game more realistic. In real life would you use or even be able to use your weapons in the way you describe? In real life you MUST have LOS to hit your target with a flat trajectory weapon like a rifle or machine gun, that is what's being modeled here. I think the new rules take away any unfair advantage Z fire might have given before and Z fire shouldn't be used to "plow the road" as it were anyways. I use Z fire myself from time to time on targets that have fired upon me and that my units haven't properly identified yet, in that way it is useful, but it is not my main tool to advance with.