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August 16th, 2019, 10:21 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
I found the "offending" post to my last, it's in the IDF OOB project by GingerTanker on Pg. 8 Post #80 of this forum. Though tracking for EITAN not so much for the AJAX. So much for " crystal balls" especially when overcome by newer references (For both that also pushed them back.) since that post was submitted last Nov.
Just following up is all.
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August 23rd, 2019, 12:55 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Looks like this morning I'll be brief for a change as I have some pressing issues to take care before I hit the rack. While looking into the Turkish M-60 variant issue I came across the following from Ref. 1 and their coverage of IDEF 2019.
IDF EITAN is still in the Prototype/OPEVAL phase. First " Iron Fist Light Decoupled" ( IFLD) has been selected for the EITAN. The reference is also stating that the USA has just ahead of the IDF, chosen the same system for the BRADLEY AFV.
https://armyrecognition.com/august_2...on_system.html
https://armyrecognition.com/israel_i...res_video.html
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IDF EITAN is still in the Prototype/OPEVAL phase. First "Iron Fist Light Decoupled" (IFLD) has been selected for the EITAN. The reference is also stating that the USA has just ahead of the IDF, chosen the same system for the BRADLEY AFV.
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September 17th, 2019, 02:37 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
First, Don thank you for your last reply previous this post.
This next is a " good news, bad news" story. First the good news as Australia has " down selected" the Rheinmetall Lynx KF41 IFV to compete against the Hanwha Defense' Redback IFV from South Korea in the LAND 400 Phase 3 competition.
https://www.janes.com/article/91297/...fv-requirement
https://www.armyrecognition.com/sept...3_program.html
If the BOXER competition ( LAND 400 Phase 2.) from a couple of years ago is any indication, that'll take a year. Further testing and modification by the ADF with any additional contract issues, that could possibly add another 6 months.
Bottom-line for the ADF, they want them in the field by early 2026, and there you have the " Bad News" for us.
More on the REDBACK but, note the company site does not mention the 40mm MG or APS, however, on newer articles both are noted as available on the net. I provide it because it has more of the data we need to build it.
https://www.hanwha-defense.co.kr/eng...illery-as21.do
https://www.armyrecognition.com/sept...n_m113as4.html
I expect as I was asked to look into for the ADF BOXER, which ever they choose it'll have the largest MG the type is designed and tested to carry. So I believe then, whichever will carry the 40mm and APS.
My pick I feel has to go to the LYNX KF41. The main reason for this is the BOXER faced tough competition during the Phase 2 part of the LAND 400 Program and won it handling. Now Rheinmetall is embedded and established in Australia in the production of the BOXER.
But the AS21 REDBACK is an excellent IFV but, I'm not sure it's quite as good as the LYNX and again, also for the reason stated in the prior para.
JAPAN has selected it's 3rd competitor in it's APC/IFV competition the Patria AMVXP (This is still a concept vehicle).
https://www.armyrecognition.com/sept..._in_japan.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/finl...cept_data.html
The others are the...
https://www.weaponews.com/news/65354...-vehicles.html
Note Japan's MAV is the " cousin" if you will to the MCV I submitted for the last patch which is a " gun carrier". I see the MAV has " similar lines" to the BOXER at a " quick" look.
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
This just as a "heads up" concerning the UK AJAX. Janes in reporting with the UK having only five AJAX's as test beds, the 6th is now delayed along with the first production set.
UK MOD still is hoping for JULY 2010 IOC date for the AJAX.
Not sure where we're at with the AJAX but, I remember we did a push back (Or discussed it.) on it within the last couple of years, so this might not be an issue at this time.
However, reporting now as JANE's is the only one doing so at this moment. Also due to shorter (And only because I like this word.) nature of their posts expiry date.
https://www.janes.com/article/93758/...h-army-delayed
Back to whatever it was I was doing. 
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