Updates in light of Ukraine war

DRG · #1 March 28th, 2022, 10:36 PM

Thinking that if they were falling short of expectations we would have heard about it by now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-say-rcna20878

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“The Javelins are the most sophisticated and most effective weapon the Ukrainians have, but not the most numerous,” Cancian said.

The Ukrainians have more Israeli-made NLOS “Spike” antitank missiles in their arsenal as well as German Panzerfaust 3 antitank weapons, Cancian said.

THAT is significant from my POV for three reasons

This is the first news I have read they have any Spikes
This is the first news I have read that the Ukrainians have NLOS Spikes.
I have been testing various NLOS weapons with my drone experiments and the two coupled together is highly effective

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=5649222743ca

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The powerful Javelin anti-tank missiles that Ukraine has been getting from the United States tend to dominate the headlines.

That makes sense. The Javelins aren’t just highly effective weapons—they’re also symbols of U.S. support for Ukraine as a huge Russian army masses on the Russia-Ukraine border.

But the Ukrainian army has only a handful of Javelin launchers—47 from the United States plus an unspecified number that Estonia has pledged—and a few hundred of the 35-pound, 2.5-mile-range, infrared-guided missiles.

The huge majority of Ukraine’s anti-tank missile arsenal is locally made. And the local Stugna-P is proving to be just about as dangerous as the world-class Javelin. And cheaper.

We do have the Skif in the OOB and I just changed it to make it more selectable to the AI but ( I just discovered ) the Stugna-P was developed from the Skif so that's on the list to investigate ( that may be the Skif 2M-K ATGM W237 ),but I need to investigate further if the Ukrainians do indeed have NLOS Spikes

THIS says they do not

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/l...s-no-to-spike/

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Israel has decided not to authorise European users of Rafael Spike to donate the advanced ATGMs to Ukraine, so as avoid disrupting its fragile relationship with Russia that allows attacks on Iran-related targets in Syria.

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #2 March 29th, 2022, 02:01 AM

If you can do the search in the MBT Thread, you and I covered this ground when discussing getting these on the Ukrainian tanks about 3 years ago. What they had and what was coming most from Ukrainian Industry sources with "outside" ones as well.

Just throwing it out there to save you some work (maybe), we did several posts on the matter.

You might further look at as a reminder, there's a reason the JAVALINs the Ukrainians are using are so effective. Remember also they were to be "under lock and key" with U.S. approved storage and security measures before even one got into country. A couple of the refs included touched on this and the fact they couldn't use them without our authorization. Training missiles were the exception to facilitate training and qualification all addressed in those refs.
Infantry Served Weapons and Organization Page 5/Posts 43 & 44.

It was set up for submission also for the USA.

Regards,
Pat

Imp · #3 April 2nd, 2022, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG

Thinking that if they were falling short of expectations we would have heard about it by now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-say-rcna20878

Quote:

“The Javelins are the most sophisticated and most effective weapon the Ukrainians have, but not the most numerous,” Cancian said.

The Ukrainians have more Israeli-made NLOS “Spike” antitank missiles in their arsenal as well as German Panzerfaust 3 antitank weapons, Cancian said.

THAT is significant from my POV for three reasons

This is the first news I have read they have any Spikes
This is the first news I have read that the Ukrainians have NLOS Spikes.
I have been testing various NLOS weapons with my drone experiments and the two coupled together is highly effective

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=5649222743ca

Quote:

The powerful Javelin anti-tank missiles that Ukraine has been getting from the United States tend to dominate the headlines.

That makes sense. The Javelins aren’t just highly effective weapons—they’re also symbols of U.S. support for Ukraine as a huge Russian army masses on the Russia-Ukraine border.

But the Ukrainian army has only a handful of Javelin launchers—47 from the United States plus an unspecified number that Estonia has pledged—and a few hundred of the 35-pound, 2.5-mile-range, infrared-guided missiles.

The huge majority of Ukraine’s anti-tank missile arsenal is locally made. And the local Stugna-P is proving to be just about as dangerous as the world-class Javelin. And cheaper.

We do have the Skif in the OOB and I just changed it to make it more selectable to the AI but ( I just discovered ) the Stugna-P was developed from the Skif so that's on the list to investigate ( that may be the Skif 2M-K ATGM W237 ),but I need to investigate further if the Ukrainians do indeed have NLOS Spikes

THIS says they do not

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/l...s-no-to-spike/

Quote:

Israel has decided not to authorise European users of Rafael Spike to donate the advanced ATGMs to Ukraine, so as avoid disrupting its fragile relationship with Russia that allows attacks on Iran-related targets in Syria.

Lots of contradictory stuff out there I read while Israel has been asked several times for Spike they have not supplied any.

Wdll · #4 April 2nd, 2022, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Imp

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG

Thinking that if they were falling short of expectations we would have heard about it by now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-say-rcna20878

Quote:

“The Javelins are the most sophisticated and most effective weapon the Ukrainians have, but not the most numerous,” Cancian said.

The Ukrainians have more Israeli-made NLOS “Spike” antitank missiles in their arsenal as well as German Panzerfaust 3 antitank weapons, Cancian said.

THAT is significant from my POV for three reasons

This is the first news I have read they have any Spikes
This is the first news I have read that the Ukrainians have NLOS Spikes.
I have been testing various NLOS weapons with my drone experiments and the two coupled together is highly effective

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=5649222743ca

We do have the Skif in the OOB and I just changed it to make it more selectable to the AI but ( I just discovered ) the Stugna-P was developed from the Skif so that's on the list to investigate ( that may be the Skif 2M-K ATGM W237 ),but I need to investigate further if the Ukrainians do indeed have NLOS Spikes

THIS says they do not

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/l...s-no-to-spike/

Quote:

Israel has decided not to authorise European users of Rafael Spike to donate the advanced ATGMs to Ukraine, so as avoid disrupting its fragile relationship with Russia that allows attacks on Iran-related targets in Syria.

Lots of contradictory stuff out there I read while Israel has been asked several times for Spike they have not supplied any.

As long as Israel needs Russia's lenience to keep letting them hit targets in Syria, you won't see much direct support. Well...all things considered.