Query for Don and Andy.

[Karagin]

You are missing the point. Everything coming out of the region is suspect because it's not vetted to remove a bias, and it's not being presented as fact. Anything from a Ukraine POV will show their side as excellent, and the same for the Russian side.

The same token from the Western (aka European and US) POV since many of those nations have already picked sides.

We can get all the information and collect all the data, but until it's done so in a manner to remove any personal dislike of either side, we will not have a factual account of the events. And telling me that social media is factual is insane.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Karagin

We can get all the information and collect all the data, but until it's done so in a manner to remove any personal dislike of either side, we will not have a factual account of the events. And telling me that social media is factual is insane.

You can get an amazing amount of information if you have a good "bs" detector going on.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1583771154749087746

"DefMon" looked at a map to see where RU logistics might move out of HIMARS range and then ordered satellite images of those locations and got some hits.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1...561088/photo/1

This is imagery that used to be the province of nation-states, and now an average joe can order the images for a couple hundred bucks.

Imagine what the imagery an actual nation-state like say, Vietnam, can order now with a open checkbook.

[MarkSheppard]

There's also some propaganda regarding the "Wagner Line"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1583842594454646785

It appears that the concrete "Dragon's Teeth" that Wagner forces are placing to form the "Wagner Line" are hollow or open at the bottom, because you can fit a lot of them onto a moderately sized medium truck.

A lot of people on Social media are going "hahah lol", but I'm more nuanced.

The name of the game is area denial. Sure, they may too light and not dug into the ground enough to stop a T-72, but they'll stop a lot of other stuff, and they're too heavy at a minimum to move without specialized equipment.

In other words, they'll stop / deter Ukrainian raiding columns composed of Humvees and other light vehicles.

[MarkSheppard]

But we got sidetracked.

Back to the Original Post (OP):

In light of the, what I would call odd performance of the Russian military, in Ukraine is there a consideration of readjusting the various attributes of the Russians with in the game engine?

I think that:

February-March 2022 Russian EXP/MOR values in light with what we had before 2022 in the game engine. This represents the initial "core" of experienced troops that Russia had, and with which they made those big gains initially.

Unfortunately for Russia, those initial units were the best that they had -- the ones who gundecked training reports the least -- and they got chewed up pretty bad in trying to achieve/achieve their objectives.

April-May 2022 onwards Russian EXP/MOR values start to decline from this point onwards, reflecting heavy casualties and the increasing use of previous "parade" units which doctored readiness reports to their superiors.

How bad the decline in EXP/MOR is, and when it "falls off a cliff" into irrecoverability...is something that's going to have to wait until about 2024 or so to get a solid lock on, since everything is still fluid.

EDIT: I'd like to say, this is a relatively new thing for us; because even way back in the 1980s, when Gary Grigsby was programming TYPHOON OF STEEL, the prior version of Steel Panthers (see attachment to see what I mean): WWII had been over for 40~ years at that point, and there had been at least 20~ years of wargaming "agreement" on the rough point values to assign for Morale, etc at various points during WW2.