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Old January 8th, 2023, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: Ukraine 2021(?)

Tossed these "notes" together -- some of the information is from Wikipedia which had some fairly generic 2018 or so era OBATs for various Ukranian brigade formations.

Some of the numbers may be off from reality - e.g. some people use a 10 tank company, the US uses a 14 tank company, etc etc; but in the end all the numbers come out in the wash; due to "non runners". This will get you "close enough" for realistic scenarios.

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Generic Artillery Units

6 to 12 make up a battery
18 to 36 make up a battalion

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Generic Mechanized (Tank/IFV/etc) Unit

1 company = 12 vehicles + 2 vehicle command element (14 vehicles total)
3 companies = battalion (36 combat vehicles + 6 command = 42 vehicles total)
3 battalions = brigade (108 combat vehicles + 18 command = 126 vehicles total)

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Basic US doctrine in WWII was Two Up / One Back; i.e. while two elements attack, the third is held in reserve.

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Tank Brigade (Ukraine) -- 93 tanks

3 x Tank Battalions (31 tanks per battalion; 9 tank companies total)
1 x Mechanized Battalion (3 mech companies total)
1 x Brigade Artillery (2 x SPA Battalions, 1 x MRL Battalion)
1 x SAM Battalion
1 x Engineer Battalion
1 x Recon Company
1 x Sniper Company

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Motorized Brigade (Ukraine)

3 x Motorized Infantry Battalions (9 mot inf companies total)
1 x Brigade Artillery (1 x Howitzer Bn with D-20, 1 x Anti-Tank Battalion with MT-12)
1 x SAM Battalion
1 x Recon Company
1 x Tank Company (10 tanks?)
1 x Engineer Company
1 x Sniper Platoon

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Mechanized Brigade (Ukraine)

3 x Mechanized Battalions (9 Mech companies total)
1 x Tank Battalion (3 tank companies total)
1 x Brigade Artillery (2 x SPA Battalions, 1 x MRL Battalion, 1 x AT Bn with MT-12)
1 x SAM Battalion
1 x Engineer Battalion
1 x Recon Company
1 x Sniper Company
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Fallout Re: Ukraine 2021(?)

On the Ukrainian tanks numbers for that period those numbrs aren't out of line with some I've seen either up or down.

What is clear and reported by many "respectable" sources is that they have both replenished their loses and have more tanks then when the war started on 24 Feb. 2022.

Of the Russian captured tanks, I'm working on (More on this elsewhere.) for submission which are only 10 types (But have become a headache.) the total comes to 441 as of last Thur./Fri.

Unsubmitted to avoid duplication on tanks that are essentially equal to existing ones from both countries are left out, HOWEVER, it well known that the Ukraine are using them as well. That number is around 70 captured other types including approximately the same falling into the unidentified T-72/80 & 90 series tanks.

Total verified from the same last week is...
Tanks (1610, of which destroyed: 944, damaged: 73, abandoned: 60, captured: 533)

Total all categories is...
Russia - 8634, of which: destroyed: 5408, damaged: 219, abandoned: 298, captured: 2709.

I'm supplying the reference I'm NOT going to debate the merits of this information as I've even seen JANE's mention it and not in a bad way.

Use it as you wish and before you judge it, I would suggest you read the opening paragraph of this ref.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

Mark that was some good "Dope" you put out there.

As I was about to leave the ORNX site I came across this by accident "so the road appears to go both ways" which makes me even more comfortable.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...ukrainian.html

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