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Old September 2nd, 2023, 11:02 AM
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For "long campaign" purposes having large Bradley and Abrams forces in Ukraine seems like a 2024-25 thing, all they have seen so far is some minefield losses.
Speaking of Abrams -- I think we're getting VERY close to them in Ukraine -- Late September, early October from the two datapoints:

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sen...es-2023-09-01/

WASHINGTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The Biden administration will for the first time send controversial armor-piercing munitions containing depleted uranium to Ukraine, according to a document seen by Reuters and separately confirmed by two U.S. officials.

The rounds, which could help destroy Russian tanks, are part of a new military aid package for Ukraine set to be unveiled in the next week. The munitions can be fired from U.S. Abrams tanks that, according to a person familiar with the matter, are expected be delivered to Ukraine in the coming weeks.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...plete-training

According to a report from Politico yesterday, citing information from spokesperson Col. Martin O’Donnell, around 200 Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel have undergone training at different U.S. Army facilities in Germany. The report added that these soldiers “recently completed one of the last phases of the program, a combined arms, battalion force-on-force exercise at Hohenfels Training Area.”

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Quoting an unnamed Pentagon official and “another person familiar with the discussions,” Politico now reports that the first 10 of these tanks will arrive in Ukraine in mid-September.

The same Pentagon official said that this batch of tanks was now “undergoing final refurbishments,” after which they can be dispatched to Ukraine, with the remaining 21 examples of the Abrams also due to arrive in-country during the fall.
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New icons for next year

https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/sta...12191499845632
British-delivered Challenger 2 tank in service of the Ukrainian military with metal cope cage established on the turret for protection against Russian UAVs/loitering munitions.

https://twitter.com/lost_warinua/sta...49555881283601
T-72B3 with ERA laden Cope Cage

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...123316/photo/1
M109L SPH with the biggest cope cage I've seen yet.
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NOPE...... for one unless the turret detail is very simple and there is NO CAMO applied putting a cage on top just makes it look a mess generally


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It does a fair representation of it but making it more realistic with the cage spacing just makes it look worse in the game once you put it into terrain

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I'm surprised the Ukrainians are doing that as the Russians found out at the start it's not very effective

The last photo of the M109 it may offer some protection but it might be more useful for camouflage. The POINT of SP arty is 1/ the ability to follow mobile forces forward and 2/ to be able to shoot and scoot........ not a lot of scooting when you are locked in a cage but that one may be fully open at the front... hard to tell for sure

The Ukrainians have shown they can adapt and improvise
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