newest beta patch?

Stone Mill · #1 October 11th, 2002, 04:30 PM

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Argh !! So long for the formely best armor of the game...

Wow. That is a massive change. Seems like this would take a redesign of Organic Armor to have this take effect. Is there any more specific details about the way it works compared to the way it will work when fixed?

dogscoff · #2 October 11th, 2002, 04:37 PM

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I really appreciate the bug fixes and all, but I'm wondering if we'll see any new features before SE V. Technically things like the production queue and upgrade system aren't bugs, but they could use some improvement.

These are great bug fixes, some of them have been hanging around since the very first incarnation of SE4.

However, the emphasis on bug fixes and lack of new features (and potential introduction of new bugs) implies to me that MM is wrapping up SE4 in favour of work on the 3D combat thing and SE5.

I could be wrong about this, but that's how it looks to me.

Still, 3D combat thing and SE5

Rollo · #3 October 11th, 2002, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Nodachi:
3. Fixed - "Crew ConVersion" damage type will fail against a ship with
a Master Computer (regardless if that component is damaged or
not).

Damn! So much for the Computer Virus and AS combo.

Yeah, I think that is not a good change.

Atraikius · #4 October 11th, 2002, 05:23 PM

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Wow. That is a massive change. Seems like this would take a redesign of Organic Armor to have this take effect. Is there any more specific details about the way it works compared to the way it will work when fixed?

That goes along with:

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5. Fixed - Ships with regnerating armor will regnerate all of their armor
at the end of combat.

The idea is that Organic Armor should regenerate imidiately after a battle is over, not only regenerating during combat.

dogscoff · #5 October 11th, 2002, 05:39 PM

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>Damn! So much for the Computer Virus and AS combo.

Yeah, I think that is not a good change.
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I disagree. If a ship is designed with a master computer, then there is no crew and no bridge. Once the MC is gone there's no-one to convert and no way to fly the damn thing.
Maybe you should be allowed to put boarding parties aboard and then fly it home under reduced speed/ functionality, but using the AS makes no sense at all.

Now, if the ship had an MC *and* crew quarters/ bridge, and you destroyed the MC, I'd have no problem with the use of an Allegiance Subverter.

Maybe an "allegiance subverter virus" weapon should be added which does to MCs what the AS does to a crew...

Ragnarok · #6 October 11th, 2002, 06:21 PM

Maybe you could have a MC that will avoid the subVersion... But then even if you have a MC there still be the requirment of 1 crew and 1 lifesupport. That way if MC gets destroyed the ship can then be taking with the AS. Would this be a good idea?

Arkcon · #7 October 11th, 2002, 06:26 PM

[quote]Originally posted by dogscoff:

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>If a ship is designed with a master computer, then there is no crew and no bridge. Once the MC is gone there's no-one to convert and no way to fly the damn thing.
Maybe you should be allowed to put boarding parties aboard and then fly it home under reduced speed/ functionality, but using the AS makes no sense at all.

OK, the urge for realisim rears it's ugly head.

For the record, I found it irritating when my MC ships were (rarely) taken by AI psychic races that got lucky with the direct fire weapons.

However, if the MC is destroyed and not taken over by AS or a boarding party, how does the original empire get it home?

The original way was, grudgeingly, more balanced