thoughts - the source of all problems and disbalances

[Taera]

still, consider this, if current Large mount was put for Battleship, Huge for Dreadnought and Massive for Baseship *only*, would it make the game better?

(tactical game hell, though)

^ for this, just maybe make the damage-to-size increase ration 2:2 instead of 2:1.5

[Krsqk]

Setting damageze to 2:2 would be effectively the same as setting it to 1:1. It negates one big advantage of mounted weapons--more damage in less space (proportionally). The advantage of mounts would be higher damage per shot=maybe first kill; disadvantage would be you miss, you waste all the damage. With unmounted weapons, you'd do less damage per shot, but have more chances to hit.

[capnq]

I agree; thoughts are the source of all problems...

[jimbob]

Well, then if more thoughts = more problems, let me jump into the fray too!

Why should the size of the vessel limit the size of mount? If the ship designer wants to have a huge-mount, why does it matter if the ship is greater than 1100kT (for example)? As long as the ship is larger than the final kT size/weight of the weapon, it should be fine. Obviously the answer is that the only way to link the mount size to the level of technological advance in non-gold was to have a ship size requirement. But in gold, you can introduce mount types through the tech tree.

My suggestion is to jetison the anacronistic handcuff (ya like that aliteration? wait, was that aliteration? did I even manage to spell aliteration correctly?) of total ship mass to mount requirement altogether. Instead, have a new field of study that allows for better and better mounts, all of which can be placed on ships of any size. That said, I'm sure that some of you out there have already done this in your mods (deathstalkers mount mod perhaps?)

This will give small ships yet another repreave.

I do however think that whacky-impossibly large amounts of damage, increased range and all that should still exist for the larger mounts. I think that mounts should be a big advantage, I just don't think only large ships should have access to them. (the lowered accuracy thing from proportions is a good idea though).

[ December 04, 2002, 23:09: Message edited by: jimbob ]

[PvK]

Well there is some precedent and reasoning for hull limits for large mounts. A 15" gun might fit on an ocean-going destroyer, but it's going to unbalance and perhaps capsize the whole ship when it rotates or fires, there won't be much room for the ammo, power for the turret traverse, etc. In other words, there are engineering difficulties, which would be different for spaceships but probably it is true that larger weapons would be more practical to mount on larger ships.

On the other hand, it also makes sense that some large mounts could be made for smaller ships. They might not be the same exact mount, however. For instance, a spinal mount on a destroyer is an interesting idea, although it would tend to be less accurate than a turreted weapon, because it would require the whole ship to rotate to aim it. However, a destroyer is more nimble than a battleship (at least in Proportions mod ), so that would tend to balance out.

PvK

[Kamog]

Originally posted by capnq:
I agree; thoughts are the source of all problems...

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that. Thoughts are the source of some problems, but not all: some problems are caused by the lack of thoughts! I'd say that the real source of all problems is the sun. If there were no sun, there would be no problems.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Kamog:

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Originally posted by capnq:
I agree; thoughts are the source of all problems...

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that. Thoughts are the source of some problems, but not all: some problems are caused by the lack of thoughts! I'd say that the real source of all problems is the sun. If there were no sun, there would be no problems.

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No human problems, anyways...