SE:V Poll - Page 2

PDF · #1 September 18th, 2006, 06:18 PM

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Gandalf Parker said:
Except that Ive already bought the game (but would rather not vote that way). And there is also not one for "I think SEV went the wrong direction completely".

I was wondering if it was too soon to poll the question of whether they should be an SEV forum.

Which "wrong direction" ? SE5 is 90% SE4 concept- and gameplay-wise, do you refer to the new move to 3D ?
Although I'm not happy with the UI I still find the new graphics much better than SE4s, which looked like a spreadsheet more than a game at (numerous) times ...

And the SE5 forum is here isn't it ?

StarShadow · #2 September 18th, 2006, 06:25 PM

I'm curious also, what do you mean by 'wrong direction'?
As far as the new graphics go, in my opinion it's mostly fluff, I would have been completely content with SE4 graphics. In fact, I'm hoping that at some point there will be either a mod (if the UI is moddable), or an option for a classic(SE4) UI.

Gandalf Parker · #3 September 19th, 2006, 02:10 PM

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PDF said:

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Gandalf Parker said:
Except that Ive already bought the game (but would rather not vote that way). And there is also not one for "I think SEV went the wrong direction completely".

I was wondering if it was too soon to poll the question of whether they should be an SEV forum.

Which "wrong direction" ? SE5 is 90% SE4 concept- and gameplay-wise, do you refer to the new move to 3D ?
Although I'm not happy with the UI I still find the new graphics much better than SE4s, which looked like a spreadsheet more than a game at (numerous) times ...

And the SE5 forum is here isn't it ?

I would rather have seen an improved SEIV game (AI, UI, modding, etc) rather than an eye-candy bloated SEV game. Thats just my opinion but I feel that the scren is full of pretty pictures which slow down the game and make it harder to play at a decent speed. I also wonder if the 3D thing might not slow down the creation of new races which is one of the things I loved about SEIV was having something like 300 races in it. And giant maps (als0 modded in later by players). The SEIV out-of-the-box was a very tiney game, almost a demo itself, compared to what the player mods turned it into.

As for the forums, thats exactly my point. I would rather that the SEIV forums NOT become the SEV forum since Im beginning to doubt whether SEIV will die off now.

And I think Shrapnel would support the creation of such a forum. The fact that this forum has traffic is not really a selling point. The load and archiving of this forum is something that just makes me more appreciative that Shrapnel keeps these things running for its ex-products.

Phoenix-D · #4 September 19th, 2006, 02:25 PM

SE5 can have much bigger maps than SE4. Same number of systems in a galaxy, but each system can be ridiclously huge if you want to do it that way- the system sizes are definable in settings.txt.

The AI doesn't seem to be much improved over SE4, but SE5's equivlent of the TDM pack should be much better, given the improved access to the AI.

Artaud · #5 September 19th, 2006, 07:05 PM

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Gandalf Parker said:
...I would rather have seen an improved SEIV game (AI, UI, modding, etc) rather than an eye-candy bloated SEV game. Thats just my opinion but I feel that the screen is full of pretty pictures which slow down the game and make it harder to play at a decent speed. I also wonder if the 3D thing might not slow down the creation of new races which is one of the things I loved about SEIV ... And giant maps (als0 modded in later by players)...

I agree with you totally and completely.

Give me the expanded R&D, expanded diplomacy, "ordance" and a couple other of SEV's features, and a souped up SEIV "look," and you've got the perfect game, as far as I'm concerned.

SEV looks like a game that is trying to draw in the "oh look, it's 3D!" RTS/FPS crowd. People who buy games because the "Gamer DoodZ" website said it's the "Best-looking 4X game I've seen all year!!" and then want the cheat codes the day the game comes out so they can "beat" it faster and then move on to the "hottest" new military FPS/RTS game.

I'm being sarcastic here, but only slightly.

Barnacle Bill · #6 September 19th, 2006, 07:20 PM

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Gandalf Parker said:
I also wonder if the 3D thing might not slow down the creation of new races which is one of the things I loved about SEIV was having something like 300 races in it.

I think this is a legitimate concern, because it certainly worked that way in the Civ franchise. In Civ2 I could and did roll my own unit graphics all the time, whereas in Civ3/4 you need 3D animation SW and I don't have time to learn it.

However, eventually the available Civ3 unit library had everything I could imagine so eventually the issue went away. Looks like CiV4 is on well underway to the same destination.

Black_Knyght · #7 September 20th, 2006, 02:01 AM

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Gandalf Parker said:

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Gandalf Parker said:
Except that Ive already bought the game (but would rather not vote that way). And there is also not one for "I think SEV went the wrong direction completely".

I was wondering if it was too soon to poll the question of whether they should be an SEV forum.

Which "wrong direction" ? SE5 is 90% SE4 concept- and gameplay-wise, do you refer to the new move to 3D ?
Although I'm not happy with the UI I still find the new graphics much better than SE4s, which looked like a spreadsheet more than a game at (numerous) times ...

And the SE5 forum is here isn't it ?

I would rather have seen an improved SEIV game (AI, UI, modding, etc) rather than an eye-candy bloated SEV game. Thats just my opinion but I feel that the scren is full of pretty pictures which slow down the game and make it harder to play at a decent speed. I also wonder if the 3D thing might not slow down the creation of new races which is one of the things I loved about SEIV was having something like 300 races in it. And giant maps (als0 modded in later by players). The SEIV out-of-the-box was a very tiney game, almost a demo itself, compared to what the player mods turned it into.

As for the forums, thats exactly my point. I would rather that the SEIV forums NOT become the SEV forum since Im beginning to doubt whether SEIV will die off now.

And I think Shrapnel would support the creation of such a forum. The fact that this forum has traffic is not really a selling point. The load and archiving of this forum is something that just makes me more appreciative that Shrapnel keeps these things running for its ex-products.

Just a quick couple of comments-

A) I'm thinking GP may be onto to something here, since it seems that the lean here is towards SEV, shouldn't there be a place to discuss just SEIV if you haven't thrown in the towel on it or put it aside in favor of SEV?

B) Again, an example here of leaning against anyone not completely in favor of SEV. GP's opinion is that SEV went the wrong way for his likes. HIS opinion, and as valid as anyone else's. And he's promptly corrected.

C) I disagree (just my opinion !!!) that "Gameplay-wise" the new SEV is "90%" the same as SEIV. Seems to me that nearly everything from ship design to actual on-screen game play is different. The concepts may be the same, but the actual gameplay is far different.

se5a · #8 September 19th, 2006, 02:56 PM

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Although I'm not happy with the UI I still find the new graphics much better than SE4s, which looked like a spreadsheet more than a game at (numerous) times ...

OK I REALLY REALLY HATE this "spreadsheets in space is bad" thing. it's the reason aaron went to bloated UI and graphics crap in the first place! a spreadsheet is used PRECICELY because you can get a lot of information in a small easy to see space.
spreadsheets are GOOD!!!111oneoneone

now where the hell did my happy place go...

RonGianti · #9 September 19th, 2006, 03:19 PM

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OK I REALLY REALLY HATE this "spreadsheets in space is bad" thing. it's the reason aaron went to bloated UI and graphics crap in the first place!

I like a nice spreadsheet view for managing my empire, but I like the direction SEV is going, graphic wise. I like the "bloated" look. It gives a nice feel to the game. It could be tweaked, but its much nicer on the eyes, imho.

Artaud · #10 September 19th, 2006, 07:32 PM

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se5a said:
OK I REALLY REALLY HATE this "spreadsheets in space is bad" thing. it's the reason aaron went to bloated UI and graphics crap in the first place! a spreadsheet is used PRECICELY because you can get a lot of information in a small easy to see space.
spreadsheets are GOOD!!!

Well, I also like what lots of people call the "spreadsheet" look in games. I'm a grownup and I want to play computer games about managing (even micro-managing) resources and people. I want to take my time and analyze stuff. I want to pretend I'm running a government and directing the destiny of an entire race. I want to name individual ships.

SE is not a "shoot stuff, blow stuff up" game. It's not a RTS and it's not a FPS.

There will be SE fans who play those types of games (I have and sometimes still do), but for the most part your average FPS/RTS junkie is going to think a game like SE is BORING. The turn-based resource management genre is on the decline, as a trip to any game store will show.

Future incarnations of SE may try to be less like spreadsheets, but they will move away from what many of us consider to be SE--and what many of us find to be so addictive about SE.