Questions about soviet artillery and other in game

[PlasmaKrab]

Originally Posted by DRG

Point 4.. (...) The M1A2 SEP Abrams with the 120mm M256 13 gun was added last patch as a what if for the people whining we had put in North Korea, Russia, China, etc future weapons systems and didn't the US. That was primarily because of things like the Chiorny Oriol were in the Russian OOB ( that is now gone and about as "real" as that T-95 tank on the wiki link ) what I should do it pull out the Abrams using that gun until someone proves it's been issued... NOT add more crap that I'll end up pulling out of the OOB in a couple of years

Don,

Maybe you shouldn't pull out this one too quickly:

The U.S. Army Weapon Systems Handbook 2010 mentions under "Future Tank Main Gun Ammunition" a new KE round tentatively named M829E4 (see page 108, warning huge PDF).
There and in this budget item justification, an Engineering and Manufacturing Development phase throughout 2010 is planned.
Various official documents schedule LRIP and deployment for 2014 (just google "120mm AKE" or M928E4).
Now we all know how these schedules turn out, and there is still no info about capabilities, but the current weapon #139 looks to me like it is broadly in the right ballpark.

[Wdll]

The only way I can think of a bullet destroying a M1A2 tank is if...it is piggy backing an AT rocket, or if the bullet manages to enter the main gun right at the moment it is firing and for some reason it creates an explosion that makes all the C4 that is on top of the tank go boom. (that was a joke)

[Denis_469]

For DRG:

I not the pedant that the nobility all about that as is correct and with commas to do a writing of a post with game errors. Further, your prejudiced relation and that you not in a condition to read the laid out sources even through transfer Google shows that to you well-known the specified lacks of game, but you prefer not to correct them that spiteful Russian have not obtained the authentic data. In other words prefer to support the western myth about the western weapon as вундерваффе. Reading your posts I it saw many times. I at all do not read википедию because it is the American project on which there is no trustworthy information. And this time has by way of exception addressed only because there have merged the expected data of the tank. The person to which also has merged it is possible to trust. I do not know, how many they there will hold on, while their moderators not "will lead to a kind convenient for the West". About 2А45М I spoke nothing - it is not necessary for me such to attribute. Heavy зениток in game I did not see and only have offered them. Having learnt the answer that they are not present, I did not begin to add them in processed Russian ООБ. Which I will not spread here because to you it can become bad with heart if you see it. About destroyed from 12,7-mm of a machine gun of Abrams is anywhere in a network and under the laid out reference is not only its description, but also a photo. It is clear that it is unpleasant to you, but a life as a rule unpleasant. And many facts do not correspond to someone's expectations. Therefore esteem a source. It will be better. On 305-mm to howitzers - I assumed, what if I have forgotten to insert a link you can find it because this business of 10 seconds if be able to use Google and have a head. Here the reference: http://scucin-avia.narod.ru/dalnij/p...br-history.htm In the documentation on game it is specified that 40 is thermal, and the Fara is a radar. Therefore at least 50 hexes that mean 2,5 km in a reality.

In the form of a result - I have written about game errors simply to learn the relation of developers to a reality. At you it negative also admits only a case when the reality confirms quality of the western weapon. On it also I will finish.

And link (you himself can not find sich total): http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/topic513.html

As 1 Iraq Mi-24 destroy near 38 US vehicles and 1 US helicopter. But YOU need to be reserved to tablets for heart

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Denis_469

I not the pedant that the nobility all about that as is correct and with commas to do a writing of a post with game errors. Further, your prejudiced relation and that you not in a condition to read the laid out sources even through transfer Google shows that to you well-known the specified lacks of game, but you prefer not to correct them that spiteful Russian have not obtained the authentic data. In other words prefer to support the western myth about the western weapon as вундерваффе. Reading your posts I it saw many times. I at all do not read википедию because it is the American project on which there is no trustworthy information. And this time has by way of exception addressed only because there have merged the expected data of the tank. The person to which also has merged it is possible to trust. I do not know, how many they there will hold on, while their moderators not "will lead to a kind convenient for the West".

I guess you really have no idea that this mangled translation is virtually unreadable but from what I can understand you are suggesting that we, as game developers, should accept without question anything , no matter how outrageous or far fetched, if it is delivered by a Russian and all Russian sources are 100 % true and accurate. It would be impossible for any Russian website to stretch the truth or even simply be wrong and whatever story accompanies a photo of a destroyed western tank is Gods own truth.

Originally Posted by Denis_469

About 2А45М I spoke nothing - it is not necessary for me such to attribute.

You don't even remember what you posted at the start of the thread. Obviously you need a reminder so here it is


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Originally Posted by Denis_469

5) soviet anti-tank gun 2A45M have less FC, then MT-12 what have FC is 15 (not version for radar FC). I think, that need rise FC Russian 125mm anti-tank gun for 15 (no less), so new Russian FC can not bad then soviet FC what was made early.

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I asked you what you were referring too and you don't bother to even try to co-operate but instead denied mentioning it. Continued behaviour like that will ensure your time on this forum will not last much longer. I can guess you are referring to the units in the game known as 125mm Sprut-B/m. The FC ratings were too low compared the older guns. That error was inadvertently overlooked during the last patch work and has now been investigated and corrected. I also asked you for information on the out of service date of the 37mm ZP obr 39 AA gun but get nothing useful to the game in return. This tells me you are more interested in getting attention and make speeches than providing useful information

Originally Posted by Denis_469

On 305-mm to howitzers - I assumed, what if I have forgotten to insert a link you can find it because this business of 10 seconds if be able to use Google and have a head

Normally a remark like that will get you banned but I'm going to let it go and blame the translator. The search I did last night ( "305mm" " howitzer" "obr 1915 " ) revealed exactly what I said it did. Taking out "obr" reveals a bit more info but last evening I was rushed for time. In any event we will not be adding super heavy arty like this to winSPMBT so forget the idea you expressed on the SP Russia forum that this would lead to other super heavy arty being added to the game. The line is drawn for artillery at 250 mm

Originally Posted by Denis_469

SP Russia

So? First, we'll do. Then others indignant and start searching for information on what it was for them and then be introduced in the game.

( Потом другие возмутятся и начнут искать данные по той, что была у них и потом её введут в игру.)

You even ask KraMax about the 203mm guns but they are all in the game

From this I know you are aware of Maxim Yegorov's ( KraMax ) and the info on corrections and errors he has contributed to the game and you should be aware, but don't seem to be, that a great many of the suggestions he passed on to us were implemented in the last patch so we hardly ignore any good information provide to us by your fellow Russians from SP Russia . Those changes caused a major problem with scenarios that was also corrected with the 4.5 patch so to even SUGGEST we don't listen to suggestions from Russians is pure nonsense but it would appear you have a very large chip on your shoulder

That said, between the obvious poor attitude you bring to this forum plus your willingness to believe just about anything like the 12,7mm MG story I would suggest any further suggestions you may have about the game be passed on to KraMax who can pass them on to me if there is any validity to them. KraMax understands how information should be passed on and you simply do not

As for the T-95, you should have listened to "Beast" when he told you "you have been misled". Even Wikipedia says "information on this tank is based on unverified data."

When and if it's proven it does exist and is being produced for the Russian army use we will add it to the game until then it's just another "what if "


Don

[Wdll]

The irony is that you do exactly what you accuse the developers of doing.

And in the game, a Mi-28 can destroy 38 US vehicles and 1 US helicopter, it depends on how YOU play. Have you ever played the game?

[Denis_469]

Originally Posted by Wdll

The irony is that you do exactly what you accuse the developers of doing.

And in the game, a Mi-28 can destroy 38 US vehicles and 1 US helicopter, it depends on how YOU play. Have you ever played the game?

Yes, I playing in game from time Steel Panthers in 1990 years... After it was Steel Panthers 2 and more.... Now I playing in WINSPMBT.

[Kartoffel]

Originally Posted by Denis_469

As 1 Iraq Mi-24 destroy near 38 US vehicles and 1 US helicopter.

High five!

Originally Posted by Denis_469

About destroyed from 12,7-mm of a machine gun of Abrams is anywhere in a network and under the laid out reference is not only its description, but also a photo.

Great Success!

[Marek_Tucan]

Actually the described incident seems to be some GIs having fun wioth captured stuff, but 25mm DU (or 30mm APFSDS for that matter) seems to have enough potential to punch through side or rear hull of most tanks (as it can do in game) - given you're lucky enough to survive to get close enough After all T-34 would be able to destroy Abrams, if it gets to flank or rear. Or M3 light or T-70 for that matter

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan

Actually the described incident seems to be some GIs having fun wioth captured stuff, but 25mm DU (or 30mm APFSDS for that matter) seems to have enough potential to punch through side or rear hull of most tanks (as it can do in game) - given you're lucky enough to survive to get close enough After all T-34 would be able to destroy Abrams, if it gets to flank or rear. Or M3 light or T-70 for that matter

I should have mentioned that the T-62 was supposed to have been penetrated in frontal arc in those tales; that the side hull hull, rear etc. would be penetrated by an high performance autocannon round is not a controversial matter.
A glacis penetration by means of cumulative damage (as in the KT picture above) seems entirely feasible as well, but that requires a cooperative target...

[Wdll]

It looks more like something cluster ammo would cause.