So how 'bout those Mets?

[Karacan]

To add an opinion: The Dominions-board will be much, much less interesting to read. I for one enjoyed his quips, attitude and witty remarks - stolen or not.

By the way, nowhere in the dev's Posts it's said that Norfleet hacked something. I certainly have no idea how to achieve those masses of gems, and I find it very unfortunate that Norfleet is not willing to share his side, though likely hard to believe.

*shrug*

It ain't over til the fat lady sings. But she probably missed a note right now.

[Cainehill]

Yeh. Someone definately doesn't believe in "innocent until proven guilty", or "beyond a reasonable doubt". After all - hypothetically, it'd be more likely that the host or the person with the master password was doing any digital manipulation of game files.

Or that a bombastic flake with an obsession and a grudge was framing someone. All that is hypothetical - but juries have acquitted on less grounds.

Speaking of people with obsessions - Stormbinder, stop sending me private Messages. I have told you this before : anything you want to say to me, say in public instead of whispering in my ear.

[Demosthenes]

Hold on. Was you in my "Song of Ice and Fire" game on GG that Norfleet have ruined, Demosthenes? If so, what was your nick there, on GG Boards?

Or did you just read our game thread and compared that alter ego with Norfleet, whom you know from shrapnels Boards?

I was not in that game. I was in Dom2 lurk mode for a while having been on vacation and pulled out of a few MP games at GG. I read all the pertaining threads at the time though. My point was that his method of defending himself was nearly identical in both instances. Vague responses and proud refusals to explain himself.

Hmm. Now let's not go too far here. It seems to me that it may be a bit *too* much diplomatic approach Gandalf. It almost sounds like you are sorry to see Norfleet gone, after he was undenyably exposed as cheater.

Hell I'm sad to see him gone too. The guy's crazy and quite possibly dangerous to others but he sure contributed a lot around here. I'd like him to visit and continue to discuss the game. He would have to of course be big enough to live with the reputation he has garnered and understand if he is not welcome in MP games, but that's life.

We haven't even heard his "honest" explanation. He said it was not something he could control. Those are serious words from Norfleet.

I think this may have to go in the "Wait and See" file for now.

I'm pretty amazed that you seem to think you have concrete and irrefutable proof in which to do a 'instant-right-now-banning'. Or you seem to want lightspeed 'justice' as far as how things are done. I'm sorry if deliberation as far as 'Should someone be IP Banned' from a forum that he is supposedly leaving in any regard is taking too long for you or feel you need a play by minute review of (if any) action that is taken or opinions expressed.

As far as I know, KO and JK have had a hard time accessing the Beta Forums since the upgrade and the Moderator Forum so the conversation could not even be held until that is fixed and they can view/access such Posts and 'evidence' presented.

I don't like your tone or implication one bit, with how much I've had to work with you Stormbinder, I'd think you'd give people a little more slack who have given you an incredible amount in the past and present.

If you want swift and heavy handed justice without proper consideration, I can certainly provide that in equal amounts on both sides of the coin in the future.

[Stormbinder]

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I was not in that game. I was in Dom2 lurk mode for a while having been on vacation and pulled out of a few MP games at GG. I read all the pertaining threads at the time though. My point was that his method of defending himself was nearly identical in both instances. Vague responses and proud refusals to explain himself.
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Gotcha. I though that maybe you are like our AhhhhFresh player in that game, who loves to have different nicks on different Boards. And yes, you are absolutely correct about similarities.

As for "something that he could not control" - I think he was refering to the voices in his head, telling him what he must do. AFAIK, half of the crazy guys have them...

I would have liked to post the Last post, but in order to stop it before the replies went like wildfire, I closed the post.

If you feel this is unfair to the community then I am the one to blame.

A flame war, even if warranted (the flaming portion) is not something I would like to promote within the forum and have very actively attempting to avoid.

The point at which the thread name was changed, and the tone taken as obviously deragatory I closed it in the hope that the personal flames would not be kindled to childish levels. (Since Norfleet said he was leaving at least, that persona)

This does not mean I agree or disagree with either side of the coin (I am actually vehemenantly opposed to cheating in any form) but I don't want to turn it into a cruxification.

If you would like to talk about how cheating is possible, explainations, rational discussion about the act and not specifically flaming Norfleet for doing it (We all know it is wrong, underhanded, coincidentally timed and on my part, unexpected) or the reasoning behind it I am fine with such.

But as Norfleet has/is been a subject of repeated personal attacks I had no desire for things to spiral out of control while I had business to do and couldn't watch the forum like a hawk for a few hours.

Thank you for your willing or unwilling cooperation on this matter.

JB

[PashaDawg]

I was one of those Newbies in the game. It was one of my first MP games. Until things got out of hand, there was a great deal of excitement. The legions of death were HUGE and the rest of us were banding together to defeat the evil fetid empire. I came away learning to pick your fellow players carefully (even though I don’t know many of you yet). Also, Storm was very free with good advice in long emails that I have saved for the official archive. I expect that they will be coming out in his forthcoming strategy guide (hee hee), and I won’t do anything at this point to violate his future copyright, etc., etc. Anyway, it was fun while it Lasted, and now I am free for a new game! (Newbie lamb for slaughter & looking to sharpen my claws… any takers?)

[The_Tauren13]

Maltrease:
...and fragging each other in some 3D shooting game.

i object. i spend half my life playing counter-strike

i for one am very sad to see norfleet gone. as a person, i really liked him, and it seemed to me he always contributed to the forums in a positive way. but then, i never had to suffer the indignity of playing against him and his 'cheats', in which case i might see things differently. i mean, when playing counter-strike, i always want to see cheaters/hackers hung from the ceiling by their balls.

Cainehill:
Or that a bombastic flake with an obsession and a grudge was framing someone

who are you to talk about a grudge obsession? this coming from the guy who never passes up a chance to yell at Cohen, who even seems to have reformed now

imo norfleet's eagerness to leave is practically a confession. probably he will come back; i think he would be bored to death if he didnt play dom II. one can always hope that he will come back under a new name, continue contributing to the forums, but give up his cheating habits. unfortunately, that kind of thing never happens

on a side note, what does the title of this thread refer to? 'Mets' meaning?

[Demosthenes]

on a side note, what does the title of this thread refer to? 'Mets' meaning?

As I don't think anyone touched on this...

The Mets are the American baseball team from New York. The title was a joke on American colloquialism at changing the subject. As in "Nice Weather We're Having?"

i.e. I posted that within a couple minutes of the Ermor thread being locked.

[Maltrease]

I am also very thankful that Storm took the time to track this down and prove his case. As other have said it is was certainly a difficult task for him to do against the chiding and disbelief by many people. His history with Norfleet obviously makes it difficult to accept Stormfleets comments at face value, but here there does not seem to much question about the soul of the issue.

Its always easier to look the other way and forgot about it. I am very glad Stormbinder stuck this through.

Its just my opinion, but I don't think a "Sorry" or "Thank you" is uncalled for.