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Old August 31st, 2005, 12:57 AM

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The basic infantry rifle can make a differenc, I am with Don on this point, The man that fires the weapon makes it what it is.

In the US I fired the Odd AK knock-offs. They were not accurate at all. But on the other hand almost every SKS rifle I shot, shot the crap out of an AK at 200 yds. Most kept the rounds in the black of a 25 yrd NRA pistol target at that range. Thats a 8 or 10 in diameter area.
M1 Garand is about a inch tighter. This also depends on the rifle.
M1A is about the same. Newer rifles peform better.

Many squads in Iraq now have 1 or 2 men carrying M1As because the M16 lacks hitting power. Durring the taking of Falugia (hope I selled it right) some US troops slung their M16s and carried pump shot guns through the stair wells and buildings of that city.
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It's added to make the people who think the scopes make a world of difference happy that there is a slightly higher accuracy number. It makes about |*| this much difference in game terms. ( slight... I'm not saying it makes NO difference but I doubt any battles are tipped one way of the other becasue of it ) There is NO inherant "accuracy" in a rifle as measured in real combat terms.[quote]



hmm, i'm not sure what you consider "real combat terms" to be. if you think that means firing from the hip, well, i agree that the differences diminish quite radically (although even then they are some key differences, ROF and recoil being only two). for me however "RCT" would mean using a weapon as it is intended and the basic training indicates - in case of the Stg-77 it means taking a position that mandates the use of the sight down to 80m range (where u switch to burst and dispense with the sights). this is what is used in "RCT" , both in manuvers, Bosnia, and apparently East Timor. If your argument was correct everyone would buy ak-47s.
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A rifle is no more or less dangerous than the man holding it and you can give a 40 year old AK to a "motivated" infantryman and he'll do all it was intended to do just as well as if he were handed a high tech plastic wonder weapon.( and he'll be able to clean it faster ) So giving an AK47 to a unit with 90 experience and morale will produce much better results than a 70 unit with a Styer
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agree in principle but disagree in practice - the above example is certainly wrong in my book with the exception of possible rally (pinned under fire) concerns.
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Certainly sitting all nice and comfy on a firing range you can produce tighter 10 round groups on a piece paper using a Steyer AUG than you can with an AK-47. I know, I've fired them both, but that's not how they are used in the real world. IF you aim you'll do better with the AUG at distance in single shot encounters..... IF you aim. Most times "aiming" is a luxury in combat.[quote]


hmm, i'm not sure what you consider "real combat terms" to be. if you think that means firing from the hip, well, i agree that the differences diminish quite radically (although even then they are some key differences, ROF and recoil being only two). for me however "RCT" would mean using a weapon as it is intended and the basic training indicates - in case of the Stg-77 it means taking a position that mandates the use of the sight down to 80m range (where u switch to burst and dispense with the sights). this is what is used in "RCT", both in manuvers, Bosnia, and apparently East Timor. If your argument was correct everyone would buy ak-47s.

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Certainly sitting all nice and comfy on a firing range you can produce tighter 10 round groups on a piece paper using a Steyer AUG than you can with an AK-47..[quote]


the steyer does 4 round bursts , as it simply is full-auto 1 second squeeze. i never heard of firing continous full-auto on the range except for the SAW and SMG mods (sounds fun though)
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IF you aim you'll do better with the AUG at distance in single shot encounters..... IF you aim. Most times "aiming" is a luxury in combat..[quote]


totally disagree, intergral to basic training. don't believe me, ask the ozzies

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Also, everyone needs to be reminded this is not a game of individual infantrymen. It's a game where you could be fighting in an area 8km x 10km with 20+ rifle companies and at that scale what we have in the game now works pretty much as intended.[quote]


i would imagine however that is a game of technology. there should be no question as to the comparison of individual rifle technology on the average combat power.
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Old August 30th, 2005, 10:43 AM

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goodness, i humbly apologise for the mis-post of the century. it so wonderfully F-k that i will leave it for all to admire
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That is easily the most beautiful post I have ever seen.
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