Real-world sensitivities and game names

[Agema]

JimMorrison said:
I'm actually very confused. Is this intended to be a serious discussion of whether or not Dom3 is PC enough? The entire notion of PC seems to just be another layer of American neo-Puritanism struggling to insulate "innocent" minds against the reality of the world.

Political correctness isn't about using nice words for bad things. It's about removing bad terminology from people who don't deserve it.

For instance, I'd expect most people should recognise that it is not okay to call blacks "n*****s", or homosexuals "f*****s". Or that women in the workplace should get called "Honey" and told to make the coffee. The last 50 years particularly, Western society has put a lot of time into fighting prejudice. That's what PC is supposed to be all about.

Where the term "political correctness" comes in is that reactionary bigots objected to having to treat the objects of their contempt with respect and fairness. So they popularised the term "political correctness" (although it existed in some form well before that) as a pejorative. Then they picked on the few particularly extreme or absurd things at the fringe, or just made up their own (such as using euphemisms for bad events) and bundled it all up to smear the whole progressive social movement, and through it their political opponents.

[Zeldor]

Agema:

Why not niggas? They talk to each other with these words.

Political correctness is now just a part of rotten upper classes in Europe that say that extreme PC is necessary part of progressive world.

[GrudgeBringer]

2 cents worth, and only 2 cents worth.

I have a degree in Culturel Anthropology and alot of what is mentioned in this game is semi-correct or at least has a mythological tilt to it.

Gentlemen (and ladies), we are who we are...

We where a barbaric people by our modern standards and a normal people by the Era's they lived in.

Dragons had Virgins had sacrificed to them but I havn't heard One person decry that it is discrimanation agianst the fairer sex.

I suggest that if a nation offends you...don't play it.

If someone is using a Nations like (example) Ulm and is quoting the Baaaaaad Adolph, and it offends you...Quit the game.

Its Role Playing and supposed to ne thematic and somewhat civilised. But we can't contol everyone, we can only do what we do in real life...choose not to be around those that offend us.

Guess that was a nickel's worth!! [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Peace.gif[/img]

[Leif_-]

The way I see it, there's no point in worrying about potential offense. Once we get some actual offense it can be worth discussing, but until then we're just chewing chud.

[HoneyBadger]

Agema, I disagree that PC is being used to label some sort of conspiratorial plot perpetuated upon the American (or otherwise) conscious as a Liberal bid to somehow take the stuffing out of arguments pro-human rights/human dignity. I agree about the conspiracy, but it's my feeling that it goes a little bit deeper and more insidiously than that.

PC, atleast the term as I use it, has the meaning of morally forcing terms which emulsify and homogenize human experience, detracting from the elements of those experiences which make diversification valuable, and either ignoring everything that goes into being a human, if it's deemed somehow unsuitable for public consumption, or Disney-fying it, and feeding it to the public, as if they're all sweet, elderly spinsters with little or no worldly experience.

It's call *political* correctness for a reason, and that reason is that PC is the idea behind the intentionally limited language used to filter the speeches of politicians, in order that they come out as wholesome as possible, so as to offend the least numbers of their constituents with their choice of wordage-facilitated by the fact that, as I mentioned, it is a limited language.

[Gandalf Parker]

And of course, Political Correctness tends to also apply to Corporate Correctness which does come into play here since this is a corporate forum.

[lch]

Zeldor said:
Me, Sombre and probably whole IRC channel think that Ulm should be banned.

Huh?

Zeldor said:
Namind commander Adolf? Man, that offends not only Hebrews, but whole Eastern Europe. And progressive nation of Germany too!

Boy, we should all be glad that the guy wasn't named "Michael" or "Martin". Or "John", "James", "Robert" etc.

I don't see a reason why the name "Adolf" would incite hysteria. It became largely unpopular, that's true, but I don't think that it causes offense or should be a taboo.

[HoneyBadger]

People with the given name Adolf or Adolph(e), who are unconnected-to the best of my limited knowledge-to the Nazi party.

copied pretty much directly from Wikipedia:

Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden, King of Sweden (1594 - 1632)
Adolf Albin, Romanian chess player (1848 - 1920)
Adolf Anderssen, German chess player (1818 - 1879)
Adolf Appell�f, Swedish zoologist (1857 - 1921)
Adolf Bastian, German anthropologist (1826 - 1905)
Adolf Born, Czech artist and filmmaker (born 1930)
Adolf Brand, German journalist (1874 - 1945)
Adolf von Baeyer, German chemist (1835 - 1917)
Adolf Busch, German violinist and composer (1891 - 1952)
Adolphus Busch, American businessman and co-founder of Anheuser-Busch (1839 - 1913)
Adolf Butenandt, German biochemist (1903 - 1995)
Adolf Cluss, German-American architect (1825 - 1905)
Adolphus Cusins, fictional character in "Major Barbara" by George Bernard Shaw
Adolf Daens, Belgian theologian (1839 - 1907)
Adolf Dassler, German entrepreneur and founder of Adidas (1900 - 1978)
Adolf Deucher, Swiss politician (1831 - 1912)
Adolf Dymsza, Polish comedy actor (1900 - 1975)
Adolf Ehrnrooth, Finnish general (1905 - 2004)
Adolf Etolin, Finnish explorer (1799 - 1876)
Adolf Eugen Fick, German inventor (1829 - 1901)
Adolph Fischer, German labor union activist (1858 � 1887)
Adolf Abraham Halevi Fraenkel, German-Israeli mathematician (1891 - 1965)
Adolf Galland, German fighter pilot (1912 - 1996) Although a German pilot in WW2, Galland was critical of his superiors and distanced himself from the Nazi party. Infact, he seems to have pissed them off, to a significant degree, and was almost tried for treason. He later served as technical advisor during the filming of Battle of Britain. I hardly consider him a Nazi.
Adolf Glassbrenner, German humourist (1810 - 1876)
Adolf Grunbaum, philosopher of science (born 1923)
Adolf von Harnack, German theologian (1851 - 1930)
Adolf Hempt, founder of the Pasteur Institute in Novi Sad, Serbia (1874 � 1943)
Adolf Bernhard Christoph Hilgenfeld, German theologian (1823 - 1907)
Adolf Hedin, Swedish newspaper publisher and politician (1834 - 1905)
Adolf von Henselt, German composer (1814 - 1889)
Adolf Hurwitz, German mathematician (1859 - 1919)
Adolf Kneser, German mathematician (1862 - 1930)
Adolph Kolping, German priest (1813 - 1865)
Adolf Lande, drug-control official
Adolf Lindenbaum, Polish mathematician (1904 - 1941)
Adolf Loos, Austrian architect (1870 - 1933)
Adolf Lu Hitler Marak, Indian politician (born 1948)
Adolphe Menjou, American actor and anti-Communist activist (1890 � 1963)
Adolf Meyer (psychiatrist), Swiss-American psychiatrist (1866 - 1950)
Adolf Meyer (architect), German architect (1881 - 1929)
Adolphus Warburton Moore(A. W. Moore) (1841 � 1887), British civil servant and mountaineer.
Adolf Erik Nordenski�ld, Finnish-Swedish explorer (1832 - 1901)
Adolf Oberl�nder, German characturist (1845 - 1923)
Adolph Ochs, American newspaper publisher (1858 - 1935)
Adolf Ogi, Swiss politician (born 1942)
Adolf Overweg, German scientist (1822 - 1852)
Adolf Pilar von Pilchau, Baltic German politician (1851 - 1925)
Adolf Reinach, German phenomenologist (1883 - 1917)
Adolph Rupp, American college basketball coach (1901 - 1977)
Adolphe Sax, Belgian musician and inventor of the Saxophone (1814 - 1894)
Adolf Friedrich von Schack, German poet (1815 - 1894)
Adolf Sch�rf, President of Austria (1890 - 1965)
Adolf Schlagintweit, German explorer (1829 - 1857)
Adolf Schmal, Austrian fencer (1872 - 1919)
Adolf Schreyer, German painter (1828 - 1899)
Adolf von Sonnenthal, Austrian actor (1834 - 1909)
Adolf Stieler, German cartographer (1775 - 1836)
Adolf Stoecker, German theologian (1835 - 1909)
Adolph Heinrich Joseph Sutro 24th mayor (& 2nd Jewish mayor) of San Francisco (1830 - 1898)
Adolphe Thiers French Prime Minister, President, and historian (1797 - 1877)
Adolf Tolkachev, Soviet engineer and CIA spy (1927 - 1986)
Adolf "Dado" Topić, Croatian singer (born 1949)
Adolf Wilbrandt, German novelist (1837 - 1911)
Adolf Otto Reinhold Windaus, German chemist (1876 - 1959)
Adolf W�lfli, Swiss artist (1864 - 1930)

[triqui]

I don't see a reason why the name "Adolf" would incite hysteria. It became largely unpopular, that's true, but I don't think that it causes offense or should be a taboo.

I dont know anyone named "Judas". Some names became *really* unpopular.

[lch]

You'll notice that there seems to be a hard limit on the DoB for names of prominent people given by HoneyBadger above, too.