OT: US President (US Dom Players only)

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Bwaha

If you want to whats really going on, research UN agenda 21. I think you will be rather dismayed. Our local dear leaders have started implementing it here and our ability to rebuild on our own land is being held up by non-issuance of building permits.

"The full text of Agenda 21 was revealed at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (Earth Summit), held in Rio de Janeiro on June 14, 1992, where 179 governments voted to adopt the programme. The final text was the result of drafting, consultation and negotiation, beginning in 1989 and culminating at the two-week conference."

Looks like this must have been signed on behalf of the US - by Bush Sr.


"In 1997, the General Assembly of the UN held a special session to appraise five years of progress on the implementation of Agenda 21 (Rio +5). The Assembly recognized progress as 'uneven' and identified key trends including increasing globalization, widening inequalities in income and a continued deterioration of the global environment. A new General Assembly Resolution (S-19/2) promised further action."

How dare they oppose globalization, inequality, and deterioration of the global environment. Those Stalinist cads!

[Bwaha]

I believe these plans are a long term program. It has gone thru 3 administrations without opposition or acknowledgment. Maybe what I'm seeing is purely a local situation. As I said, I hope I'm wrong. I hope that our new messiah, oops president will put a stop to this.


PS. I wonder if Obama will recind the Patiot Act, If he does I will take a deep breath and relax.

[MaxWilson]

I'm basically Republican at heart, but I do think Obama is somewhat more likely than McCain would have been to dismantle the (thoroughly-useless) TSA in favor of proactive HUMINT. And if the Republicans in Congress try to exploit that to further their careers they deserve another thumping.

-Max

[lch]

Originally Posted by Bwaha

After all owning a home in the mountains is not a sustainable development. They want to build a Stalinist housing complex that is connected to mass transit. no need for cars, thats not sustainable. Our little community is a test project for this agenda, And I think it stinks.

Stalinism! And here I was always building mass transits like crazy in Civilization, thinking that all that they do was reduce pollution from population. Never did I imagine that they'd invite Stalinism through the door. BRB, I have to demolish a few buildings - traffic-choked streets sound far better than open communism, what was I thinking...

Originally Posted by Bwaha

I think I'm gonna follow Albert Einsteins example, split before they close our borders. They (the government) have been allowing the construction of private owned prisons, quite a growth industry. I wonder who they intend to populate these complexes with. If you want more info on this look up corpwatch.

Hmm. Maybe those detainees from Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp and from those illegal CIA prisons that need a new home?

Originally Posted by Bwaha

Those who don't remember history are bound to repeat it. I hope I'm proven wrong in these fears. Truly I do.

Nothing comes of history but history. Fear is the mind killer?

[capnq]

Originally Posted by Bwaha

I think I'm gonna follow Albert Einsteins example, split before they close our borders.

So many people say that they're going to leave the country if so-and-so is elected; I've never heard of anyone that followed through on it when so-and-so was elected.

The chief problem with leaving the country is, where would you go? Despite all of the USA's problems, I can't think of anyplace else in the world where I think I would be better off.

[Tifone]

If anyone is interested, as every time "socialism" is mentioned someone asks his wife for the pirchfork and the flaming torch, I found around this pretty interesting video about the famous Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnK84mM5N-o

Looks like Republican party's hero has benefitted being on welfare 3 times, but suddenly he has horror of "spread the wealth" politics because now the things are going well for him and he doesn't apparently want to return the favour he received from society when in need, for less fortunate people.

Selfishness and opportunism brought to a whole new level.

[Tifone]

In effect, the mass public transport thing seemed everything but evil to me too.

It's ages we know that efficient, fast, sure, eco-friendly mass transit can kill the pollution, greatly help the environment and raise the quality of life - sorry, employees of car factories, but we have to save our lungs, and mass transits require lots of employees anyway (hey, soon there will be the magnetic levitation bus - I mean, how cool would be to drive that one?? ).

You can make an argument about how terribly communist is to turn lots of "free market companies" jobs into state-owned companies ones, and that the American Dream is the freedom of one's own muscle car or monster truck or Canyonero (Simpson ref. of course )... but the truth is that we all fear what can happen in 100 years if we don't stop pollution and global warming now.

[llamabeast]

I think a fair few Americans actually don't fear what can happen in 100 years if we don't stop pollution and global warming now, because they don't believe in global warming. Apparently a mass conspiracy of scientists all over the world is a more likely/convenient explanation.

Edit: Obviously I understand this is a minority (or I hope so!), and that the same controversies exist to some extent in all countries, just rarely to the same extent.

[sum1lost]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

I think a fair few Americans actually don't fear what can happen in 100 years if we don't stop pollution and global warming now, because they don't believe in global warming. Apparently a mass conspiracy of scientists all over the world is a more likely/convenient explanation.

Edit: Obviously I understand this is a minority (or I hope so!), and that the same controversies exist to some extent in all countries, just rarely to the same extent.

For a spotlight figure who believes that global warming is not man made, if real at all, you can look at Sarah Palin. Look at her VP debate with Joe biden.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by sum1lost

For a spotlight figure who believes that global warming is not man made, if real at all, you can look at Sarah Palin. Look at her VP debate with Joe biden.

She also apparently thought that Africa was a country, not an actual continent. >.>