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[Ink]

it MUST be a jousting lance. not only are they the longest weapon in the game, they are blunt so you get tons of prisoners.

[Foodstamp]

Speaking of prisoners, I am having a hard time finding the guys in the tavern you ransom them too, is there a trick to it? This time around I haven't even picked up prisoner management because I end up toting around prisoners until I get tired of the slowed down speed and let them go.

[Ink]

no trick, there's like 6 of them and they just travel from city to city on a weekly basis. However, I think Tihr has a permanent one, he is called "Slave Trader".

[Sombre]

No I think he got that, he was saying when people buy games, they usually only care about the newer stuff. Which is certainly true of mainstream buyers.

It's also true of mainstream buyers that even if they don't ever use something, they go completely ape**** if someone takes it away or tries to ransom it. So I doubt steam would do that.

[Foodstamp]

In the United States at least they would not be able to do that. They would need to give you your previously purchased content without the monthly fee. They could start charging a monthly fee, but it would have to apply to new content only. If they tried to do it the way you suggest, they would have a huge lawsuit on their hands.

Back to Mount and Blade...

Where can I ransom captured lords? And I think the most fun I have had in the game so far is recruiting the Peasant girl "Ymira" and turning her into an all out warrior .

[AstralWanderer]

Originally Posted by Foodstamp

In the United States at least they would not be able to do that...

Why not? There's plenty of precedence for changing contracts and charging regular fees (certain credit cards being a clear example) and Section 2-209 of the Uniform Commercial Code specifically allows for such amendments. In Steam's case, there wouldn't even need to be a change - section 4B of the Steam Agreement includes the following:

"...Valve reserves the right to change our fees or billing methods at any time and Valve will provide notice of any such change at least thirty (30) days advance. All changes will be posted as amendments to this Agreement or in the Rules of Use and...you are responsible for reviewing the billing section of Steam to obtain timely notice of such changes."

Now whether Valve will go down this route is purely conjecture, I'll agree. But it would be immensely profitable for them (the only downside is deterring new customers, which could be countered by having more "Steam-exclusives") which in the world of business makes it a "when" rather than an "if".

As Mount and Blade has its own online activation system too, this means that it will almost surely die if Taleworlds shuts down also.

[Foodstamp]

Originally Posted by AstralWanderer

Why not? There's plenty of precedence for changing contracts and charging regular fees (certain credit cards being a clear example) and Section 2-209 of the Uniform Commercial Code specifically allows for such amendments. In Steam's case, there wouldn't even need to be a change - section 4B of the Steam Agreement includes the following:

"...Valve reserves the right to change our fees or billing methods at any time and Valve will provide notice of any such change at least thirty (30) days advance. All changes will be posted as amendments to this Agreement or in the Rules of Use and...you are responsible for reviewing the billing section of Steam to obtain timely notice of such changes."

Now whether Valve will go down this route is purely conjecture, I'll agree. But it would be immensely profitable for them (the only downside is deterring new customers, which could be countered by having more "Steam-exclusives") which in the world of business makes it a "when" rather than an "if".

As Mount and Blade has its own online activation system too, this means that it will almost surely die if Taleworlds shuts down also.

I didn't say they couldn't change their billing scheme. I said they can't hold your purchased content for ransom.

And there is no way it would be profitable. Steam has several near competitors that would be the ones to reap the benefits of such a change. It would take more than just some Steam exclusive content to make people want to pay a monthly fee, it would take A LOT of content, and that content would need to be premium and would be expensive to negotiate exclusive rights to.

What you guys are suggesting sounds less like business and more like evil conspiracy that goes against making profit and more into the realm "Lets screw our customers".

No business is in the business to piss off customers. Or they won't be in business for long.

[PsiSoldier]

Originally Posted by Foodstamp

In the United States at least they would not be able to do that. They would need to give you your previously purchased content without the monthly fee. They could start charging a monthly fee, but it would have to apply to new content only. If they tried to do it the way you suggest, they would have a huge lawsuit on their hands.

Back to Mount and Blade...

Where can I ransom captured lords? And I think the most fun I have had in the game so far is recruiting the Peasant girl "Ymira" and turning her into an all out warrior .

You dont ransom captured Lords. You just hold on to them as your prisoner usually you will want to build a prison tower or something for this so they wont escape as easily and when that faction wants them back they will offer you a ransom for the lord without you seeking out someone to pay for them.

If you want to make it easier to defeat the faction you can turn down their ransom offer so they start to run out of lords to fight against you and you will loose a little bit of honor, not that that matters too much. I usually turn down the offer unless its a hugely generous offer and I need gold.



As for the whole Steam discussion. Thats absurd they could never get away with ransoming things you had already paid for. Regardless of anything they put in their EULA they would be sued and loose.

However... It might would be a good deal for them if they went for an optional subscription based service where you could download and play any game on Steam for a monthly fee while you still maintained the rights to any game you had previously purchased if you subscribed or not. I could actually see that happening.

[Gandalf Parker]

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[Baalz]

Yeah, I actually captured a king (due to participating in a ginormous battle at which I was a bit player), but the ransom broker didn't want anything to do with him, no special options when I talked to my king...even took him back to his country but just got chased around by P.O.'ed dudes. After awhile he just escaped...