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https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status...00884364296521

Taiwan has received it's first batch of M142 HIMARS launchers + associated GMLRS rockets; along with it's troops finishing training in the US on the system.

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Swiss Federal Office for Defence Procurement armasuisse has concluded its evaluation process for a new artillery system, selecting the AGM Artillery Gun Module on Piranha IV from KNDS Deutschland. This decision marks a significant step towards modernising the Swiss Armed Forces

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Switzerland Selects AGM Artillery Module on Piranha IV to Replace M109 Howitzers.

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On November 5, 2024, Switzerland took a decisive step toward modernizing its artillery capabilities by selecting a new system. Armasuisse, the Federal Office for Defence Procurement, concluded its evaluation and now recommends acquiring the AGM (Artillery Gun Module) mounted on the Piranha IV vehicle from Germany’s KNDS. This funding request will be presented to Parliament as part of the 2025 Army Message to initiate the replacement process.

The AGM, integrated with the Piranha Heavy Mission Carrier (HMC), represents a significant advancement in modern artillery by combining mobility and firepower. Developed jointly by KNDS Deutschland and General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS), this system is defined by its fully automated, crewless 155mm (caliber 52) artillery piece mounted on the Piranha HMC. Weighing 40 tons and boasting a turning radius of less than 18 meters thanks to its four-axle steering, the system provides exceptional tactical mobility. The Piranha HMC's 10x10 multi-link chassis platform allows it to fire on the move without deploying stabilizing supports—an uncommon capability among wheeled self-propelled artillery systems. The vehicle is operable by a two-person crew, with an option to add a third member or additional storage.

The AGM module offers advanced capabilities, including 360º firing, "Shoot & Scoot" functionality, and MRSI (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact), enabling simultaneous strikes on multiple targets. With its ability for both direct and indirect fire and its capacity to engage moving targets on land and sea, the AGM on Piranha HMC is a versatile and resilient solution. Its command, navigation, and fire control systems operate autonomously, reducing crew workload through integrated robotic intelligence. The AGM module is also compatible with the 8x8 Boxer vehicle, enhancing NATO interoperability and facilitating cooperation among member forces.

Switzerland's artillery modernization project comes as the current self-propelled M109 howitzer, in service for over 50 years, nears the end of its operational life. Recognizing the need to maintain and enhance medium-range indirect fire capabilities with improved precision and mobility, the Swiss Army, led by Armasuisse, launched the "Artillery Platform and Equipment" (WPWM) project. This initiative, which began with a project contract in 2019, aims to identify a solution that meets the army’s needs through a wheeled vehicle suited for modern battlefield requirements.

This renewal project is extensive and multifaceted, encompassing not only the artillery platform replacement but also its integration with the Swiss Army’s communication, command, and fire control systems. It also includes training and simulation solutions and a complete logistics support framework to ensure system maintenance. An initial munitions procurement is also planned to guarantee full operational readiness upon deployment.

The candidate evaluation process began with a call for tenders from multiple international manufacturers. Based on Swiss military requirements, Armasuisse shortlisted two candidates in 2022: the Archer Mobile Howitzer from Sweden’s BAE Systems Bofors and the KNDS-proposed 155mm AGM artillery module, mounted on two possible platforms, Boxer and Piranha. This selection led to rigorous testing, including logistical, technical, and operational evaluations conducted in close cooperation with the industry and several army units, such as the Army Logistics Base, the Training Command, and the Operations Command.

From January 2023 to June 2024, both systems underwent in-depth testing, including logistical trials, technical assessments of the main weapon abroad, mobility tests on Swiss road networks and rough terrain, as well as exercises involving both professional soldiers and Swiss militia members. Live demonstrations and firing tests were conducted in collaboration with foreign military forces and other defense authorities.

Following this evaluation phase, the AGM system on KNDS’s Piranha IV emerged as the most advantageous offering, meeting Armasuisse’s tactical, technical, logistical, economic, and sustainability criteria. This selection marks a turning point for Swiss artillery equipment, providing a modernized indirect fire capability on a platform meeting the highest technological standards. In the coming months, the project team will focus on integrating the AGM's communication and command systems with the Piranha IV. Preparations for the 2025 Army Message funding proposal are also underway to ensure prompt financial support.

Switzerland’s M109 self-propelled howitzers, officially designated as "15.5 cm Self-Propelled Howitzer M109 KAWEST WE," have been acquired in several phases since 1968, forming the backbone of the Swiss motorized artillery. While they have been periodically upgraded, with combat improvements in 1995 and updates in 2012, this system—recently granted a usage extension in 2021—now shows signs of obsolescence. Acquiring the AGM artillery module on Piranha IV opens a new era for the Swiss Armed Forces, equipping them with a more mobile, precise artillery capability suited to modern conflict requirements.

The acquisition of the new AGM-mounted Piranha IV howitzers will bring several advantages to the Swiss Army. First, these systems offer increased mobility due to their 10x10 wheeled chassis, allowing rapid redeployment and greater operational flexibility compared to the older tracked M109 howitzers. This mobility is further enhanced by the ability to fire while on the move, reducing vulnerability to counter-battery fire.

Secondly, the fully automated 155mm caliber 52 AGM reduces crew workload and improves firing rates. The system's enhanced range and accuracy enable more effective medium-range strikes, meeting modern battlefield demands. Additionally, integration with Swiss communication and command systems ensures better coordination and optimized response times during operations.

Lastly, these new howitzers strengthen interoperability with NATO forces, supporting joint exercises and multinational missions. Overall, introducing the AGM on Piranha IV modernizes Swiss artillery, offering a combination of mobility, firepower, and technological compatibility to address contemporary challenges.

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There's a very good chance that this system could influence the US Army's M109 replacement program evaluations in FY25 -- the Piranha IV is basically a very close cousin to the Stryker family...
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KNDS Plans to Deliver First RCH 155 to Ukraine in April 2025


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Ukraine:

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Ukrainian forces modified a 9K33 Osa surface-to-air system to fire R-73 (AA-11 Archer) short-range air-to-air missiles.

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"The aviation missile has some advantages, because it works on the "fire it and forget it" principle, it does not need to be accompanied like a regular Osa missile. Immediately after firing the R-73, you can move from your position so as not to receive a retaliatory strike,"

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I'm dealing with an overload of issues ATM....... I cannot find this weapon in the game. It may be under a different name or number designation.

If you know where it is let me know

The other question is does it do anything better "game-wise" than the existing SAM inventory......... like the SA-8b Gecko that is already in the already crowded OOB?
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Well, you will find this interesting Ukraine has been doing some modifications which is fielded and unfortunately might complicate the issue.

Ukraine has had the R-73 apparently for a longtime it was designed to be an Air-to-Air missile.

The R-73 is the better missile with double the range of the Gecko. Just about across the board overall it's pretty much in all the categories head-to-head.

I've gotten myself sick and CINCLANTHOME just came out to get me.

What's interesting is what launcher they chose to use for the R-73. think GECKO.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...n-military-aid
https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-mod...-new-missiles/


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I'm dealing with an overload of issues ATM....... I cannot find this weapon in the game. It may be under a different name or number designation.
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The Vympel R-73 (NATO reporting name AA-11 Archer) is a short-range air-to-air missile developed by Vympel NPO that entered service in 1984.
NATO ended up testing a pile of them when East Germany fell; and found that the R-73 was far more capable than the Sidewinders of the era (1990), which forced development of all the modern short range missiles (AIM-9X, etc) by NATO.

A close analog would be OBAT12 USA - Weapon 129 - MIM-72 SAM used for the M48 Chaparral; with adjustments to account for:

Greater Range (R73 is 6.5 inches in diameter versus 5 inches for Sidewinder -- that 1.5 extra inches gives more range)

Slightly Improved Accuracy (accounting for off-axis capability of R73 seeker head)

But as you said, the AFU OBAT is getting pretty crowded; and we don't know just how many of these new FrankenSAMs are being made.
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I had a full post ready to send and my new keyboard bit me in the ***

IN THE GAME from the info I have found the R-73 would use pretty much the same stats as the existing Ukraine weapon 140 9M33M3 Osa but with the max game range of 255 and a WH of 11 instead of 10 the 9M33M3 has

In RL the R-73 would be an improvement...... especially when the supply of 9M33M3's have dried up but in the game I don't see it making any difference at all but I will build a unit and wait and see what develops between now and whenever we finally release V18

Right now I see this as a minor upgrade but in RL this is an important modification to a weapon I assume they and others who support Ukraine have a significant stock of

AH!............."All anti-aircraft missile regiments of Ukraine’s Land Forces equipped with the Osa system have received these upgraded systems."-

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-an...reign-supplies


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Here's another question........ how many does it carry ?
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Apparently, they have been looking for ways to use this for a while.......May 7, 2024 for the naval drone

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...les-10421.html

Ukrainian Magura V5 ( Marine ) Drone Equipped with R-73 Anti-Aircraft Missiles
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