Nations - MA, CBM 1.6, max lvl 6, NI, Assimilation - Olm/Man and Louist/Ulm win!

[Olm]

Could we postpone the next turn to Tuesday? I will be on short vacation until Monday. I will get the current turn in, but I will probably not have the time to do the next one before Monday evening.

[buzzsaw]

Nicely written!

[Valerius]

Thanks for the in character post, Olm! Nicely done! And (unfortunately) very nicely done killing Pan's greatest hero. That was the only unit I had the could stand up to your combined forces and Pangaea is in mourning at his loss.

You almost took the fort in 64 as well. Unfortunately I lost some quality troops (as well as a lot of chaff) and with your raiding and my decreasing number of provinces putting me in the red, there won't be any replacements, and all my successful defense did was postpone things a bit.

Originally Posted by Olm

Could we postpone the next turn to Tuesday? I will be on short vacation until Monday. I will get the current turn in, but I will probably not have the time to do the next one before Monday evening.

Yes, of course. Enjoy your vacation!

Originally Posted by Olm

Your Bane Venom Charms are very effective, they diseased lots and lots of my mages. I would even go as far as to call them overpowered for the price especially thinking what a strong death nation can do with them.

As far as the bane venom charms go, they are a particularly good match for Pan since I can use them without fear of crippling my own mages. This is even more so the case in this game with the lack of indie mages. In a normal game if I had any half way decent indie mages I would hesitate to use a bane venom charm when under siege. Here the only non-national mages I'm likely to have (barring taking - and keeping - an enemy cap) are undead who also won't be bothered by being diseased.

Originally Posted by Olm

MA Man is described as a rather weak nation in the tactics guides. I cannot agree with that.

Keep in mind that given all the special circumstances of this game it's hard to draw lessons that would apply to a normal game. Where Man really suffers is in the late game and of course that's not a factor here. It's also worth noting that most of those guides were likely written before CBM started buffing Man.

One thing about these settings was that they were intended to really emphasize national strengths - and weaknesses. In a normal game there's a decent chance that you'll be able to break into new paths of magic with indie mages and their complete elimination has a big effect on how things play.

Btw, if you like this version of Man you'll definitely want to check out the 1.92 version as it has everything you're using plus additional boosts.

[Olm]

Originally Posted by Valerius

Thanks for the in character post, Olm! Nicely done! And (unfortunately) very nicely done killing Pan's greatest hero. That was the only unit I had the could stand up to your combined forces and Pangaea is in mourning at his loss.

Well, it did not work as intended. I wanted to poison him to death.
But my mages reverted to streams of live.
What I found interesting is, that it seems to me that every SC, even the mightiest, can be stopped by a low level spell like entangling vines. He needs every turn to break free. So I can perhaps not kill an SC, but there is a way to neutralize him. Is that correct?

Originally Posted by Valerius

You almost took the fort in 64 as well. Unfortunately I lost some quality troops (as well as a lot of chaff) and with your raiding and my decreasing number of provinces putting me in the red, there won't be any replacements, and all my successful defense did was postpone things a bit.

That problem remains for you.
The fort is now taken, and your home province under siege.
Your income has dropped to neglegible levels. I wonder how you will try to turn the tide.

Originally Posted by Valerius

As far as the bane venom charms go, they are a particularly good match for Pan since I can use them without fear of crippling my own mages. This is even more so the case in this game with the lack of indie mages. In a normal game if I had any half way decent indie mages I would hesitate to use a bane venom charm when under siege. Here the only non-national mages I'm likely to have (barring taking - and keeping - an enemy cap) are undead who also won't be bothered by being diseased.

But with an undead nation like Ermor, they must be killer.

Originally Posted by Valerius

Btw, if you like this version of Man you'll definitely want to check out the 1.92 version as it has everything you're using plus additional boosts.

Yes, I started a game with Man under CBM 1.92. (The idea with always taking Man is to really get to know one nation, before trying others).
Definitely cool stuff added. I always missed a commander for my Knights of Avalon, and now its there. The downside is, that the hero Rhianna is not so special anymore. In our game she is very special to me, because she uses the full potential af the KoA's in terms of speed on the tactics map. Addition of healing to the daughters is cool I think. And the added spells are great and very thematic.
But I guess I will miss those slingers. really got to respect them as siege force.

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by Olm

Well, it did not work as intended. I wanted to poison him to death.
But my mages reverted to streams of live.

It may not have been what you had in mind but it worked well enough. Sometimes the AI can drive you crazy but there it did a good job with tangle vines to pin down my prophet and then stream of life to go for the kill.

Originally Posted by Olm

What I found interesting is, that it seems to me that every SC, even the mightiest, can be stopped by a low level spell like entangling vines. He needs every turn to break free. So I can perhaps not kill an SC, but there is a way to neutralize him. Is that correct?

Yes, tangle vines works great. And it appears that as long as the arrow hits the square the target is in the effect is automatic (no parry attempt and air shield doesn't help). It won't get you the kill but will help your troops kill the SC. Or, as happened here, protect your mages while they take shots.

Originally Posted by Olm

That problem remains for you.
The fort is now taken, and your home province under siege.
Your income has dropped to neglegible levels. I wonder how you will try to turn the tide.

I think my current plans have less to do with turning the tide than with making a last stand.

[Olm]

I've got a game mechanics question regarding another game:

I had troops in Province A, the enemy had troops in province B.
Now I moved all my troops to B.
It seems he moved his troops to A.

I expected a clash of all troops in either A or B, depending on who is faster.

But the result was a battle in A AND B with my troops being split.

My understanding was that troops from one province move together. Is that wrong, or did something else happen, which I did not take into account?

[Valerius]

Seems to me a battle likely occurred in the magic phase in province A and after you won that your surviving forces fought the battle in B. Or is there something that caused some of your troops to be left behind (forgot to issue movement orders or commander(s) assassinated resulting in troops being left behind)?

[Olm]

Originally Posted by Valerius

Seems to me a battle likely occurred in the magic phase in province A and after you won that your surviving forces fought the battle in B. Or is there something that caused some of your troops to be left behind (forgot to issue movement orders or commander(s) assassinated resulting in troops being left behind)?

No magic movement. And even with left behind troops the two armies shouldn't be able to pass each other, right?
I will have to investigate further.

[buzzsaw]

All I can say is nice job Ulm!
You pretty much turned the tables on me. I can`t say I have seen that many master smiths before, and I paid for it. I was not expecting that to say the least.

I think I got a little too lax with the way that army had been rolling along.

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by buzzsaw

All I can say is nice job Ulm!
You pretty much turned the tables on me. I can`t say I have seen that many master smiths before, and I paid for it. I was not expecting that to say the least.

Magma eruption spam, I assume? That just killed my southern army.

Originally Posted by Olm

No magic movement. And even with left behind troops the two armies shouldn't be able to pass each other, right?
I will have to investigate further.

There was some discussion about this a few years ago, I think. Some people said they'd never seen two armies pass each other, others did. I've never had it happen in MP but I think it has happened to me in SP. Couldn't prove it without a player to confirm the orders they gave but it seemed to me there were a few instances where the AI's forces couldn't have come from any other province and yet our armies passed each other by.