RE Swedish OOB

[Mustang]

For #1:

Seems to be after 2002. Hope this helps.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...p/t-64891.html

During the years of 1997 to 2002, Leopard 2(S) MBTs, called Strv 122 in Sweden, were being delivered to the Swedish Armed Forces. The originally German tank is one of the world's most powerful war machines but after carrying out a few tests, FMV found the tank was lacking in some areas when it came to protection.

- "It's a further development of the Strv 122's protection against mines," says Henrik Hej. "With this new protection kit the tank will become substantially safer for the crew to operate in."

Some more info:

http://www.w54.biz/archive/index.php/t-357.html

The Swedish MBT122 has already been recognized as one of the best-protected main battle tanks in the world. In a recent study program of the tank for the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) in Sweden, IBD Deisenroth Engineering succeeded in the development of a further improved protection dedicated to the tank. The concept is thereby designed to protect against the actual and future threats in theatre, especially in asymmetric and urban warfare.

IBD's focus in this development was the optimization of the protection against the actual threats in theatre: new variants of RPGs, IEDs and EFPs as well as keeping high protection against “conventional threats”. A new light weight and highly efficient SLAT armour was designed as an amendment of the protection concept. The effectiveness of the new solutions has been verified against all threats in a broad test campaign. Thanks to all these efforts the concept provides an outstanding 360 degree protection of the crew.

The completely modular design of the concept allows the use of any mixture of old and new protection modules. This solution is of great advantage in theatre with regard to maintenance and repairs.

Despite the improved overall protection level of the MBT 122B Evolution the weight increase of about 350 kg is only minimal such maintaining the high mobility of the tank. Also the width of the vehicle could be kept to exactly 4.0 m which is also an important factor for the use in urban environment.

The new protection concept is the latest variant of similar high level protection solutions (defined as Evolution Concepts) from IBD for different platforms that have been developed, where the kits based on the platform Leopard 2 A4 Evolution have already been supplied to customers.

Can't find anything regarding Sweden purchasing EVO though.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Thanks but, I have that info already as well. Unfortunately that's why I'm stuck on something I'd hoped would be pretty straight forward. Not wasting time on this as I have solid info on the other issues I'm trying to address. The normal guys here have local access where I don't. You'll find the equipment world the "world wide web" isn't always so world wide after all.
1. Again the 11 STRV-122b are converted STRV-122 tanks with heavier belly armor and supposedly side armor protection against RPGs. The STRV-122b was designed for ops in Afghanistan in a joint venture with Germany and later the Dutch which applied this to the LEOs they deployed there as well. I just need a good service entry date here.

2. EVO is an add on modular protection kit. Game wise as in real life think (Or see.) German LEO 2A7+ or Turkish LEO-2T. I just need to know [b]for sure[b] if Sweden bought it. Looks like they did but "looks like they did/or they have it" has bitten us in the past around here. Below shows a STRV-122 and CV-9020 with EVO installed during trails last year.
http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/vie...t=2371&p=24311
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/35969/
Not the ref I was seeking but the first does show the STRV-122b with what appears to be the EVO package.
Have to get ready for work!!!!

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Looked at the clock wrong so I have a few minutes before getting ready.
1. That should read in the previous post as CV-9040 vice 9020.
2. I believe with the next ref I was seeking posted below and the German site (Ref. 1 OF LAST POST.) the Swedes did buy the EVO package in a photo comparison of the two and others. So that puts EVO back to at least to 2007/2008.
3. From what I can find the STRV-122b is still a separate issue from some refs as the STRV-122b EVO being an "all-in-one" item. From what I can tell the EVO package is a separate and later addition. I might have to PM a couple of folks from this thread later after the main items I noted are addressed first on the list.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...d_0706121.html

Regards,
Pat

[Mustang]

Sorry I couldn't find any more. Even the manufacturer website is no help.

[Mustang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnUMTI07_cY

7:50

Sweden is still considering installing AMAP as of 2011.

http://www.tanknutdave.com/component/content/article/63

In a recent study program (late 2010) of the tank for the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) in Sweden, IBD Deisenroth Engineering succeeded in the development of a further improved protection dedicated to the tank. The concept is thereby designed to protect against the actual and future threats in theatre, especially in asymmetric and urban warfare. Despite the improved overall protection level of the MBT122 Evolution, the weight increase of about 350 kg is only minimal such maintaining the high mobility of the tank. IBD Deisenroth Engineering announced on 30.05.2012 that the MBT122 protection studies are still ongoing.

[Mustang]

I can't imagine EVO being anything other than an upgrade of the existing tank. I doubt they're going to buy an entire fleet of new model Leopard 2A6/7 equivalents just for an armor package. But yes, you always have to make sure.

Sorry if this is annoying but I found something that might be useful.

http://forum.soldf.com/topic/11317-leopard-3/page-2

Swedish military forum. No mention of the Strv 122B before 2004.

Google translate:

STRV 122B used by GU Bat P4 2004-2005
It was not so popular due to the turret bustle, but clearly the car I'd like to sit in if you drive on a mine.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I to had gone on a couple of Swedish military forums and with what I have already. I'm confident of the following..
1. I will ADD/SWEDEN/STRV-122B/JAN 2003//It will have better IED protection however Don makes those calculations. Most importantly side armor add on protection as well. I've seen enough from different sites now that the Swedes and Spanish have the best protected tanks in their class of LEO's they operate. This might cause a second look for both against the benchmark German LEO's of the same "origin" type, i.e. the STRV-122/B models are spall lined throughout the whole tank and top turret is more armored then any other LEO with maybe the exception of the LEO 2A7+. The ref below is representative of many and is an excellent source and also covers this para completely.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm

2. As I've said earlier EVO is an add on armor type using nano protection processes,you'll see this on LEO 2A7+, ARJUN II,
T-90AM/MS and ARMATA among others. This allows for better protection then most ERA systems, is much lighter and has little affect on size. Anyway Swedes apparently later this year for EVO. For tanks see pages 14-17. Ref covers the whole Swedish Military.
http://ointres.se/2012-02-21_Lindstrom_IAV%202012.pdf

I intend to go off line to finish the tank issues before the end of this weekend to post it. So for Don...Update as follows...
A. USA/AH-64E PKG/DONE.
B. USA/MIA2 SEP V2/DONE.
C. TANZANIA/TYPE 59G/DONE.
D. SWEDEN/STRV-122B/80%/EVO PKG TRACKING FOR NEXT YEAR.
E. INDONESIA/LEO 2A6 (GERMAN)/65% REFS IN PLACE/HAD TO PICK REPRESENTIVE LEO, BASED ON PRICE PAID AND UNITS ORDERED (NOW UP TO 105.) WILL RECOMMEND GERMAN UNIT 033. LOOKED AT 034 AND 035 TO NEW, ADVANCED AND COSTLY BASED ON SERVICE DATES. TOTALING RULED OUT IN SERVICE TYPES IN ADVNCE.
F. IRAN/ZOLFAGER/35%/HAVE UPDATES ON ALL TYPES/WILL RECOMMEND DELETE OF ZOLFAGER 2/ADD ZOLFAGER 3 WITH NEW FCS COULD BE TI/GSR 40(?) WITH ASSOCIATED ADJUSTMENTS.
G. SOUTH AFRICA/OFILANT/15%/LOOKING AT MAIN GUN TYPE ISSUES/DELETION OF 1 0R 2 UNITS AS THEY WERE NOT PUT INTO SERVICE.

Wasn't shouting above, was in caps and just wanted to finish. Btwn life and work, I'll be done here and other places until I post this.
Everyone a good night, who am I kidding, have a good morning!?!

Regards,
Pat

[janm67]

Some notes on the Swedish OOB:
- Units 306, 307, 308, 309 (SAAB A 21) have Fire control 15... that seems excessive for a WWII-era aircraft with no special equipment.
- Units 313, 314, 315, 316 (A 32 Lansen) should have at least some EW capability. They had an RWR built in and often carried chaff pods.
- Units 317, 318, 319, 320 (J 35 Draken) on the other hand should have EW 0, they had no RWR or jammers. They should probably be Uncommon or Rare in the ground attack role.
- Units 321, 322 (Sk 60B) should not be Uncommon, in fact they were the most likely to be used for CAS.
- Unit 323 (AJ 37 Viggen with rockets) should not be Rare.
- Unit 325 (AJ 37 Viggen with bombs) should have the same fire control value as the other Viggen variants. It should not be Rare, there were huge stockpiles of these bombs. Also, the AJ 37 could carry up to 16 120 kg bombs, not just 4.
- There was a fun variant of Unit 303 (SAAB B 18) called T 18. It had two 20 mm guns and a 57 mm Bofors autocannon with 40 rounds, 100 rpm. Intended for use against landing craft and small ships, perfect for a "Defend the beach" scenario. Available from 1/47 to 12/57.

[DRG]

on the list.........

HOWEVER

The "rarity" factors although used to indicate generally if a unit should be used more or less or at all by the game also are used to direct the AI to pick a wider selection of units .

When the AI buys a unit it starts looking for one at the END of the list and works back to the start of the list and sometimes we make high numbered units rare just so the AI doesn't buy only the first thing it finds.

So I will take the info about rarity under advisement but that is all. Rarity ONLY affects how the AI picks an OOB's units as an OPPONENT and getting that adjusted isn't an end user issue.

Don

[janm67]

Thanks Don, I did not realize how the rarity was used.