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rdonj · #1 March 31st, 2010, 05:03 PM

Ignored immortality.

Frozen Lama · #2 March 31st, 2010, 05:44 PM

I'd vote against. everyone knows the bugs with immortality. they die on retreat, VotD, and i guess trample too.

Lingchih · #3 March 31st, 2010, 10:05 PM

I vote no to the Phoenix size 6.

LumenPlacidum · #4 March 31st, 2010, 10:20 PM

No to size 6 phoenix, even if it would be fun to hit it with a hero's blade that way.

Aethyr · #5 April 1st, 2010, 01:23 AM

I vote no.

WingedDog · #6 April 1st, 2010, 01:30 AM

Size 6 Phoenix automatically gains immunity to Wind Ride, which is a perfect way to get rid of immortal being.
I ran several test with trampling Phoenix and can say - not a single bird was hurt in the process, they all were carefully (not without a couple of affictions though) placed into capital after death. But I had few incidents with multyplying Phoenixes as a result of trample instead, and I thought recent patch was fixing this.
My vote is no to size 6 Phoenix.

WraithLord · #7 April 1st, 2010, 02:58 AM

Also, wouldn't size 6 Pheonix gain sort of immunity to trampling?
It seems like this bug needs to be fixed by IW. Give it size 6 is kinda like fixing a wrong with another wrong.

vote, for size 6 phoenixes, or against?
Yes: 2
No: 7

I think the current votes are sufficient to give rdonj the player's answer - no.

Calahan · #8 April 1st, 2010, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by WraithLord

Also, wouldn't size 6 Phoenix gain sort of immunity to trampling?

I think that's the whole point of making the Phoenix size 6 isn't it? Since it is the trampling that is causing the bug to trigger.

It's certainly a bug for illWinter to look at, but if bugs can be worked around via a mod, it's sometimes worth doing IMO (until IW get around to it). Of course it all depends on what the bug is, how much it affects games etc.

WingedDog does make a very good point though (as is his usual habit) about size 6 making an immortal commander immune to Wind Ride. I certainly failed to consider this before when I said that I couldn't see what imbalance it causes.

Guess it's just another occasional bug that creeps in now and again with Phoenix Pyre and/or immortal units. But at least those who are thinking of taking the Phoenix for this game should now be aware of the problem (and so have less course for complaining about it if this bug hits them during the game).

Dimaz · #9 April 1st, 2010, 07:34 AM

It's sort of hard to complain about something after the game starts, given RAND post rules.

WraithLord · #10 April 1st, 2010, 08:10 AM

Calahan, the suggestion is to "fix" a bug in which the phoenix may die to trampling by giving it trample immunity. Trample immunity is not that trivial. It is valuable to have an immortal trample immune pretender when you get rushed by elephants. Such a trait should come with increased cost.

This is out of scope of this game. I (or rather - vote) say, let IW and/or CBM handle this.