Sharivar - LA game 4 bussy ppl. Complete. Wraithlord wins.

[Kuritza]

Originally Posted by Trumanator

Is it even possible to have LA Ermor in the game w/out drama?

Well there are just three possibilities, as far as I can tell from my experience.

1) Ermor is led by a newbie.
2) Ermor is led by an expert player, but his neighbours know they have to unite against him.
3) Ermor wins.



Of course, Gath is also a very special nation in LA, being the only nation able to recruit quite decent SC. So perhaps... perhaps... things may go differently this time.
But Dimaz and me, well, we are really tired of games following the third route. There are only so much times same scenario can be enjoyable. Ok, I'll leave you to your sheming now, sorry guys.

[Dimaz]

Now that's ridiculous. I already lost half of my SCs without any significant casualties to Ermor, and now without any reason Jomon attacked me. You want easy victory for Ermor, you'll get it.

[Dimaz]

From me? No hate.

I told you I was playing this game for fun, not to win

- this is enough for me, thanks.

Have fun.

[Dimaz]

2rdonj
Just one more thing. I can't understand why you think you cannot win this game. Without your interference, the most probable scenario (as I see it, and WL wrote me the same thing some time ago (however as I know he knew all along about your plans, I'm not sure about anything anymore)) was that me and Ermor draw ourselves into very long and fruitless war while you can expand in the northwest and eventually become the #1 power.
Anyway it's too late now.
Have fun.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Dimaz

2rdonj
Just one more thing. I can't understand why you think you cannot win this game. Without your interference, the most probable scenario (as I see it, and WL wrote me the same thing some time ago (however as I know he knew all along about your plans, I'm not sure about anything anymore)) was that me and Ermor draw ourselves into very long and fruitless war while you can expand in the northwest and eventually become the #1 power.
Anyway it's too late now.
Have fun.

While this is certainly a fair possibility for me and I maybe could go on to win the game if I played for it, I hate to attack nations I've done diplomacy with. TC and I are NAPed, and he is still removing atlantis from the land as per old arrangements (it's also questionable whether I could actually kill him as he is playing a strictly better nation and is not that much weaker than me in most categories). Me and c'tis are still technically in a mutual protection alliance against atlantis, and while I could kill him it would not be worth the pain. Especially having to deal with atlantis, I want no part in chasing fantomen out of the water :P. Ermor and I have been NAPed since way back when ermor was at war with pythium. This leaves me with no one I desire to make war on up in the northeast, and further I know I will never declare war on them. Why? Because we are perfectly content to let one another exist.

On the other hand, you are stronger than me, larger than me, and the entirety of diplomatic relations we've had this game was me giving you one item for some gems. To me this is a good target :P While it is true that this is not the optimum choice for my nation, it is the optimum choice for me given my personality and playstyle. When ermor asked for my help against you, my friendly sort of personality and the fact that you are big, scary, and exactly the sort of target I like to attack won out over my sense of self-preservation and my knowledge that whichever one of you wins this is likely to win the game.

Further, I came into this game while burning out on dominions because wraithlord invited me. I decided if I was going to play I would do so relaxed, laid back, and not worry so much about winning or playing competetively. Otherwise I probably would never have chosen to play jomon. I had a good early expansion which I completely squandered due to the fact that I really couldn't care to try to win a war against any of my very friendly neighbors and my decision to prevent c'tis from being killed by atlantis. I don't really want to deal with killing wave upon wave of undead while I march through a useless wasteland with no food either.


Kuritza - No, I don't think what I am doing is unsportsmanlike. I am merely playing what seems to me to be the best choice to make at the time. I am not a competitive person, at all, I tend to play more as a spoiler, trying to bring down whichever nation is the strongest at the time (this was gath) rather than trying to actually win games. I don't have the patience or discipline to go through and actually win a game, and I know it. I tried it once and hated the game so much I didn't want to touch it and eventually pawned that game off on another player. So I play more to experiment and figure out if things will work how I think they will.

I am also NOT ermor's vassal. I see a vassal as being something much different than my arrangements with ermor make me out to be. Being someone's vassal requires a certain level of subservience that just does not exist in our relationship.

Besides, pan still has a decent chance of victory from what I can tell. It's not quite over yet.

[WraithLord]

You lost half of your SCs already?- But you only lost two of them. How come?
I think I was just somewhat lucky on first rounds of war. I also think that you are underrating your own nation. I told you that 1:1 we'd be dragged into a long attrition war but I was more like putting on a bold face in hopes of deterring you from attacking me.
I only declared war on you b/c Van was close to being wiped out, so I came to help him. Then you made a brilliant diplo move and signed a NAP with him - freeing you to annihilate me at your leisure.

I think you're exaggerating my strength to make everyone scared witless of me. I'm 100% sure I haven't even remotely seen what you have going. Everyone has a huge research lead on me. So while I bring tons of chaff to the field you or anyone else can counter that with high end summons and spells.

As for Jomon's help it was planned ages ago. If he wants to use this war to get larger and bigger he can do just that. However that's not the point - We both are sticking to our plan, word and agreements. Said plan may result in our demise or in your defeat.
After that - to each his own.

Last, I did all in my power to stop this war after your NAP with Van and you know that. You decided to follow through and now, alas, there's no turning back.

[Kuritza]

So you spoiled this game for one competitive player to help another competitive player win the game, and you think its a fair and sportsmanlike thing to do.

I have no more questions, thank you.

[WraithLord]

Originally Posted by Kuritza

So you spoiled this game for one competitive player to help another competitive player win the game, and you think its a fair and sportsmanlike thing to do.

I have no more questions, thank you.

That's a load of crap. You judge him w/o being a part of the game and with bias from past experience. If I were in his shoes I'd have done the same with the only distinction that I'd be more hungry and passionate about winning after that. Would you then tell me the same?

My Ermor in this game is not that overpowering. I'd have no problem wiping it out had I been controlling Gath. It's way way back in research and chaff can only get you so far.

[Kuritza]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

That's a load of crap. You judge him w/o being a part of the game and with bias from past experience. If I were in his shoes I'd have done the same with the only distinction that I'd be more hungry and passionate about winning after that. Would you then tell me the same?

My Ermor in this game is not that overpowering. I'd have no problem wiping it out had I been controlling Gath. It's way way back in research and chaff can only get you so far.

Careful with your wording please. I didnt call anyone names in *this* thread, and surely I didnt say anything disrespectful about you, hmm?
I make my judgement about this game being the one who played it while Dimaz was away, and who has received all turns ever since. I know enough about this game.
And of course, I do know enough about Dominions in general, LA Ermor strength in particular, and your own capability not in the least - to say that you are the only possible winner of this game now. If time will prove me wrong, send me a letter (I think I'll stop reading these forums after Lapis and Setsumi games end) and I will post my amends in this very thread.
But I think this game will now become yet another proof that LA Ermor is still a very special nation that should be treated with caution. Time will show.

[WraithLord]

Originally Posted by Kuritza

Careful with your wording please. I didnt call anyone names in *this* thread, and surely I didnt say anything disrespectful about you, hmm?
I make my judgement about this game being the one who played it while Dimaz was away, and who has received all turns ever since. I know enough about this game.
And of course, I do know enough about Dominions in general, LA Ermor strength in particular, and your own capability not in the least - to say that you are the only possible winner of this game now. If time will prove me wrong, send me a letter (I think I'll stop reading these forums after Lapis and Setsumi games end) and I will post my amends in this very thread.
But I think this game will now become yet another proof that LA Ermor is still a very special nation that should be treated with caution. Time will show.

Yes. Sorry about wording. No disrespect intended. However wrapping an insulting or demeaning phrase in nice words doesn't make it any less so and that's how I interpreted your messages to rdonj.

About LA Ermor winning this game, the current situation if far from guaranteeing any such thing. At this point that's just propaganda aimed to get everyone to fight me so that Gath would win