Sharivar - LA game 4 bussy ppl. Complete. Wraithlord wins.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Kuritza

So you spoiled this game for one competitive player to help another competitive player win the game, and you think its a fair and sportsmanlike thing to do.

I have no more questions, thank you.

I do not like games ending in a foregone conclusion. In the case of this game, it was a foregone conclusion that gath was going to win even if ermor attacked him. I feel no shame in attacking the leading player to prevent their obvious impending victory and gath was quickly nearing the point at which he would be completely unbeatable.

Of course you are going to point out that that puts ermor as the next most likely person to win the game, and that is quite possible as I've said previously. But if it comes to that I would still rather see the second-strongest nation win than the strongest one. It is more fun for me if the underdog wins, even if that underdog happens to be LA Ermor.

[Dimaz]

But you only lost two of them

Well, not exactly half, but not exactly two.

I think I was just somewhat lucky on first rounds of war.

I think I had to prepare my SCs to fight Midgard, not Ermor. And I hadn't time to switch everything to new style. You can call it luck. I call it bad planning from my side.

Then you made a brilliant diplo move and signed a NAP with him

I made no brilliant moves, it was the only way for me to not being wiped out in 5 turns. And I lost non-negligible part of income in the process.

I think you're exaggerating my strength to make everyone scared witless of me

I see that everyone was scared way before I started to exxagerate your strength

Everyone has a huge research lead on me

That's partially true, but Gath is the last among them (not taking into account Midgard due to obvious reasons).

I did all in my power to stop this war after your NAP with Van and you know that

However you knew that Jomon will help you, with that knowledge I'd definitely cancel our war. So you didn't want to stop it, after all, all you had to do is to say that it won't be 1-on-1 war for me, without even mentioning who is your ally.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Dimaz

That's partially true, but Gath is the last among them (not taking into account Midgard due to obvious reasons).

Yes, however gath is quickly shaping up to be the game's research leader with its astonishing recent climb in RP per turn.

I dunno about that, he didn't have a whole lot of choices for allies. It was either me, midgard or maybe atlantis. Two of those are not in any shape to be waging war against you. Fantomen hasn't been able to recruit from her capitol for so long now it's not funny, and you just finished beating midgard bloody. That only leaves me relatively intact and strong enough to do a decent amount of damage to you. Saying he had an ally would have been as good as telling you who it was. I'm surprised you didn't figure it out last turn anyway, after I took aethyr's province.

[WraithLord]

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Well, not exactly half, but not exactly two.
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Still didn't check current turn. How many did you lose?

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I think I had to prepare my SCs to fight Midgard, not Ermor. And I hadn't time to switch everything to new style. You can call it luck. I call it bad planning from my side.
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Hey, I was trying to be generous with you. Don't be so harsh on your self.

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I made no brilliant moves, it was the only way for me to not being wiped out in 5 turns. And I lost non-negligible part of income in the process.
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You know, this whole NAP was not really natural. Think nation C is being mauled and nearly killed by B. Then A comes to help C and C goes and signs a NAP with B. Strange. right?

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I see that everyone was scared way before I started to exxagerate your strength
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Not true.

"That's partially true, but Gath is the last among them (not taking into account Midgard due to obvious reasons).
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common, you're closing the gap like a devil and has a what, twice or more lead on me?

"However you knew that Jomon will help you, with that knowledge I'd definitely cancel our war. So you didn't want to stop it, after all, all you had to do is to say that it won't be 1-on-1 war for me, without even mentioning who is your ally."
Partially true. Jomon wasn't and isn't in my pocket. Until I got a final confirmation I didn't know whether he'd live by his word or betray me like Van did (after I come to his help for crying out loud).

Look Dimaz, what are you trying to achieve here?- Make everyone fight me by spreading propaganda?- If so, I guess you're doing a good job. It's legit but I will try to point out any half truths or exaggerations you put.

[Dimaz]

I'm surprised you didn't figure it out last turn anyway, after I took aethyr's province

I was keeping to tell myself that you're going to grab some border Ermor lands or attack Midgard. Seriously, I was really unprepared that after all the crap that happened in Setsumi thread someone wants to repeat the same scenario.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Dimaz

I was keeping to tell myself that you're going to grab some border Ermor lands or attack Midgard. Seriously, I was really unprepared that after all the crap that happened in Setsumi thread someone wants to repeat the same scenario.

I did have the setsumi thread in mind while we were planning this. I knew there would be no way to avoid drawing comparison, and that there might be a bit of drama as a result. I still stand by my belief though that gath is and was the strongest nation and that without intervention you would have won no matter what anyone else did. Now I think there is at least some doubt as to the final outcome, which again I find preferable.

I was really worried my attacking that province would be a dead giveaway. Especially after my conversations with aethyr about it. Unfortunately my feisty little can openers didn't get a chance to take a crack at your SCs this turn

[WraithLord]

Dimaz, I now took a loot at the turn. You've got to be kidding me?- I counted on our borders something like 5 armies of yours, each led by anywhere from 2-4 kohen SCs + backup mage cadre.

Only now I realize how lucky I got on first round. To tell the truth I've no idea how to stop all these armies.
When first I realized about the NAP you signed with Midgard I was sure I made a mistake coming to his help. Now that I see some of your raw might I am sure I was barely there in time to stop you.
Also w/o Jomons help I'm toast

You can tell it anyway you like but these are the facts and my turns are saved so after the game is over it can all be validated.

[Kuritza]

I didnt insult Rdonj, just offered him to think about his actions from other players perspective.

My words are propaganda, your words are propaganda, and the truth is, as usual, out there. Strangely enough, when it will be revealed, it will match my words. Why? Because LA Ermor is such LA Ermor.

I repeat my promise to post my amends here if it won't.

[Kuritza]

Some thugs + several hundred undead + rigor mortis maybe? Hmm.... I dunno... Darkness? Ghost grip spam? I can think of a dozen ways to stop such armies as Ermor. Judging by graphs, research wont be a problem very soon.
Zeldor also complained that poor, weak Ermor chaff cant deal with teleporting SCs. Then, of course, it turned out that Rigor Mortis is still there, in the spellbook.

By the way, such rethorics... 'now that I see your raw might... we stopped them just in time...' - I believe it was used by every aggressor who cared about his public image over the history of mankind.

[WraithLord]

So now it's both propaganda and trying to gauge how far am I from rigor mortis and darkness?

Yes, thank you pointing the aggressor thing out. You caught me red handed, I was reading all this in the practical guide to the modern aggressor, it's all there in the PR chapter