OT: US Pres election

[Bwaha]

I'm truly saddened that the media has fanned the fires of hatred. Those of us who are Americans should be able to debate freely without being hated. I think we need to fire the news anchors that are trying to demonize the other side. Also we need to fire all politicians who have served a term. To be in politics successfully you have to have a machine and money behind you. This means they control the politicians actions. This must stop before we lose our fine nation. Bwaha

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

You not only walked into this thread completely belligerent, but you are purposefully obtuse, and now I am quite convinced that you are just pushing my buttons so that you can point your finger at me when this thread devolves even further.

This isn't about you. There are two types of people in this world, those who do for others, and those who do for themselves. You fall into the latter category since you believe that this whole discussion is all about you.

I needn't remind you that it was you who responded to my posts in a condescending tone that did little more than identify you as a hot headed, ill informed, fatuous with poor impulse control.

I am merely expressing my opinion within an open discussion on a topic of interest. If you feel pressured by my questions than please don't respond to my posts with pernicious type comments and expect to get away free and clear without challenge.

As to the thread devolving any further, I think you should stop trying to play the victim and review your own incendiary comments before you try and float the asinine accusation that my comments are somehow devolving this thread.

I'm just glad that the people who think like you, are in fact a shrinking minority, while awareness and rational thought are becoming more and more popular these days.

I honestly can't believe you think I dislike Palin for being a woman. So glad I'm not your psychoanalyst.....

The one constant in the universe is that when liberals are faced with an opposing point of view, in most cases the that being the truth, they, instead of participating in an open discussion, choose to attack those who express differing opinions. Now you can say that you are not a liberal, but your words and actions say otherwise.

And for the record, I never stated that "I" thought that you dislike Sarah Palin because she is a women. I left it up to you to say for yourself.

Given the tone of your comments and the lack of a meaningful response, I am left to wonder if you possess the basic discussion skill set of an educated individual to express ones motives behind ones opinion in an articulate and meaningful manor. I am therefore going to do you a favor. I am going to tell you why it is that some people believe that Sarah Palin is under qualified to be the Veep let alone the President.

According to those educated individuals who chose to state specifically why it is that they feel Sarah Palin is not qualified to be commander and chief is because she lacks a command presence.

You should, with your limited tunnel vision, be able to take it from their. And in the future I suggest that you keep your elitist inspired condescending tone in check.

[Azselendor]

Don't you just love political rhetoric

[Gandalf Parker]

I think that the democrats need to un-republican the country abit so I really want to vote that way.

But I must admit that I really like some of the sexy pictures of Palin. Particularly the swim suit video when she was competing in the beauty contest. (yeah I know, not good reasoning. But its not much worse than some Ive seen here)

[Atrocities]

I just want to see someone elected to office who really cares about the people first and foremost. Someone who won't erode our constitutional rights, anger our allies, lie to us, or rather pass a lie to us. A leader who, like Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, or JFK, has character and takes the heat when it gets hot and comes out on top putting the nation and our way of life first. It doesn't matter to me if the person is rep dem or indy, a man or a women, or what race they are. I just want what we had before it was taken from us before its completely gone for good. My last blog kinda spells out how I feel.

PS, Jim, I am not trying to push any ones buttons. I played it a bit hot in my last post, a bit of tit for tat so to speak, but really all I originally intended was to state my point of view and explain my motives for my opinions. If that got under your skin and pushed your buttons, it wasn't my intention.

[Bwaha]

What ticks me off is the constant lies that are taught in our schools. For instance tail gunner Joe McCarthy is portrayed as a villain, I've had arguments with my buddy's and they claim he was a member of HUAC. Not so my friends, he was a senator. Also his claims of soviet infiltration of the state dept. are a matter of historical fact. If you don't believe me check into the Verona decrypts. Now I'm not red baiter, but I read a fascinating but very dry book. I will get the title to you later, but it is the memoirs of a GRU general. Lastly my late friend Ted was a devout Maoist. We argued constantly but loved each other regardless of our political positions.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Atrocities

I just want to see someone elected to office who really cares about the people first and foremost. Someone who won't erode our constitutional rights, anger our allies, lie to us, or rather pass a lie to us. A leader who, like Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, or JFK, has character and takes the heat when it gets hot and comes out on top putting the nation and our way of life first. It doesn't matter to me if the person is rep dem or indy, a man or a women, or what race they are. I just want what we had before it was taken from us before its completely gone for good. My last blog kinda spells out how I feel.

PS, Jim, I am not trying to push any ones buttons. I played it a bit hot in my last post, a bit of tit for tat so to speak, but really all I originally intended was to state my point of view and explain my motives for my opinions. If that got under your skin and pushed your buttons, it wasn't my intention.

Thank you. I also apologize if my criticism of Palin as a political figure was harsh. If I had to put my finger on my problem with her (beyond the fact that she doesn't seem intelligent or informed at all), it's her religion. Not her specific religion - I would just like to see someone in our highest office that doesn't put their god, or conception of god first. I want someone who is not a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Buddhist, as both our President, and VP. I want them to put their country first - not their faith.

[Agema]

The US is supposed to be a free democracy: that means people should have freedom of views, and the free speech to express those views.

That Communists were trying to infiltrate the USA is irrelevant. The fact is that many of McCarthy's victims had done nothing wrong, he had no adequate evidence they'd done anything wrong, yet he ruined their lives, many even had to leave the USA. He did so because they had merely the barest of links to left-wing thought. He was a vicious bully; he was thought police; he was a force of oppression. That's why he is a villain, and even he caught as much as a whole spy ring he'd still be a villain.

[Bwaha]

Dear Agema, it was a group of house members that did this. Huac was a over-reaction. McCarthy was not a part of it. Historical fact. That you were taught this is exactly what I object to. Its not your fault that you've been taught untruths. I blame the teachers. Not all teachers indoctrinate their students, but rather teach them to think. These I approve of.

[Azselendor]

Current debate tactics in america consist of setting up straw men and knocking them down. There are so many logical fallacies in the political discussion, america should be ashamed of itself.

Take this Rev. Wright issue. Yes, he said evil things about about america. Things I consider treason. But on the other side, how many fundamentalist neo cons are calling for the deaths of athiest americans or the expulsion of everyone non-white. Hell, Pat Robertson even called for nuclear strikes on Washington DC a few years back.

See my point.

if not, how about this

"...and the pot called the kettle black..."


The point is, US politics have devolved into a 3rd grade playground pissing contest.