Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency

[DRG]

The first one is good. It gives me a better idea of what's going on up on top than I have found so far

Don

[Pats]

I've got a nice link - view from behind...
http://www.leo2.ch/index_1.1.htm

By the way the modifications in my oob are manly about waepon and not the armor - that's because I know a Swiss army weapon mechanic... and the dates of assignment.

[DRG]

Big mufflers. I guess people were complaining about the noise eh ?

Or do the Swiss like "steathy" tanks ?

Don

[Pats]

Yea, They are the only tanks (in the world I think) to comply with the European noise regulation.
(For normal road trafic)

By the way I checked the old DOS version of SPIIMB; for a 2A4 it was a max armor of 90 and the 2A5 was 120 -- but that was an other time...

[Pats]

I did some research but didn't got a final answer.
That's what I've got about the swiss version (Pz 87)

1. Swiss variant (based on A4) built at the Federal Construction Works in Thun, Switzerland. First 35 manufactured at Krauss-Maffei in Munich; last 345 at Federal at 72 tanks/year rate with the final delivery in 1993.
Modifications include Baird passive night periscope, Swiss machine guns and communications equipment, digital fire control computer, and improved NBC protection. It also has a slightly different turret rear and improved noise-reducing exhaust mufflers.
2. Swiss tanks were improved to the Leopard 2A5 standard in 2000/2001
3. Switzerland is not using the wedge armour developed in Germany and used for all Leopard 2A5+ versions
4. From 2008 around 120 Pz 87 will be upgraded and designated Pz 87 WE (~A6 standard, mine protection)
5. Instead of the wedge armour the 230mm strong boxes are used which keep the well known form of the Pz 87 turret ...

A good source is here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...p/t-31407.html
and here:
http://www.kampfpanzer.de/ -- but off line at the moment...

[DRG]

OK, just curious. Is the Pz87 we use for our splash screen the early or more recent model? I'm guessing it's the early version.

Don

[Pats]

Yes definitly the "original" A4 wit the 12cm L44 gun.

That brought up an other fault. As far I can tell after all that research the gun still remains the same... L44 (~Wp94?)
In the swiss OOB (53) it's a L47(Wp94) and later (H1+H2) L55 (Wp95) that change might be happening later (2010?)

[Pats]

So changes for Swiss (53) LEO2 could be like:

unit 018: Pz 87 LEO (A4)
Weapons
- 12cm L44 Sw87 Gun (W94 - NOT L47)
- 7.5mm MG87 CMG (new W227)
- 7.5mm MG71 AAMG (new W226)
Armor
- Steel 60 13 8 64 21 11 5
- HEAT 71 33 15 110 52 27 12
And a new Icon...

unit 026: Pz LEO WE
Fire Control 45, (EW 3 as a variant in unit 876)
Weapons
- 12cm L44 Sw01 Gun (W95 - NOT L55)
- 12.7 MG93 AAMG (new W228)
- 7.5mm MG87 CMG (new W227)
Armor
- Steel 62 18 10 89 31 16 8
- HEAT 88 42 18 130 62 32 16
And a new Picture and Icon...

unit 027: Pz LEO (A4+)
Weapons
- 12cm L44 Sw96 Gun (W241 - same L44 as Germany in 96)
- same as unit 018
- same as unit 018
Armor
- Steel same as unit 018
- HEAT 72 35 rest same as unit 018
And a new Icon... same as unit 018

and new unit e.g. 877 from about 2010
Pz LEO WE+10
Fire Control 45, Vision 50, EW 3
Weapons
- 12cm L55 Sw10 Gun (W220)
- 12.7 MG93 AAMG (new W228)
- 7.5mm MG87 CMG (new W227)
Armor
- Steel 62 18 10 89 31 16 8
- HEAT 100 55 20 155 63 33 18

[Pats]

I think we solved the "Swiss problem" with the Pz87 (LEO2)
but what about the "others"?

OOB02 Poland units 020, 022, 023
OOB33 Spain units 030, 031
OOB46 Austria units 019, 020
OOB65 Finland units 022, 023, 024
etc.

[RecruitMonty]

Isn't it just a question of different countries having different specs for their Leopards?