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		In the last 23 years or so, I have never had a CTD with any versions of SPWW2 (or MBT for that matter), playing small, medium or large or CGs. I have played and designed several large to huge scenario and "my" play tester to my knowledge never had a CTD with any of my scenarios. 
 
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		Suggestion: Play scenario #400 (Tarawa, 11/20/43) as AI vs AI and let the game run. Around turn 40 it always crashes for me.  
 
If this is a bug I would assume it happens for everyone but, if not, then it's something on my end. 
 
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				Suggestion: Play scenario #400 (Tarawa, 11/20/43) as AI vs AI and let the game run. Around turn 40 it always crashes for me.  
 
If this is a bug I would assume it happens for everyone but, if not, then it's something on my end. 
 
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I started scenario #400 just before bed last night and let it run AI vs AI using the experimental EXE
 
It was still running when I got up.
 
It was on Turn 50
 
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I will run #400 and see, whether I get a crash too. 
 
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		The more people testing and reporting the better but I can confire  THERE IS A PROBLEM and  WE WILL INVESTIGATE.
 
It seems to be tied into the "west" edge Junk terrain that is showing up and it seems to accumulate the longer you play. I am at turn 34 or so right now and there is junk grass terrain in some places 7-8 hexes in from the west edge
  
This should not be happening. It never used to happen and we never used to have these reports
 
Did this start with V14 or after V14 ?
 
Also is this only happening AI vs AI ?
 
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		We are both testing this and I can say that the issue with west edge junk in water scenario exists at least back as far as V13 ........testing continues 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		The junk terrain shows up on other maps as well, not just beach ones. I have seen it a lot on Battle generated games and I had a notepad list of when it had happened but the computer updated, where my file went, that is my quest.  
 
It always does appear, the junk terrain, on the West (Left) side of the map. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		If anyone can get screen shots or a save game of terrain Junk on non water maps I'd like to see them becasue I've never seen it and I am playing a battle now looking for it and I see nothing at all out of place 
- How many turns need to be played before this shows ?
 
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I have a number of high turn count save games for both MBT and WW2 and I have not found any that show the kind of terrain junk that they water maps show
 
I also have a generated beach assault running with the water to the west and SO FAR the game has not generated any map edge junk.....BUT..... the map still shows the grey edge and it seems that when that disapears the problem start
 
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