MP Asia Twist - Wraithlord Wins! - Page 51

PashaDawg · #**501** September 11th, 2009, 07:14 PM

Yes. I agree with Wraith. Let's please keep things nice. This is just a game.

I am happy to continue hosting the game if players wish to go forward.

Arch is welcome to have an extension to think about his turn, etc.

Pasha

WraithLord · #**502** September 13th, 2009, 03:57 AM

Of course I don't mind Arch. taking his time for deciding/processing the turn. I'd just like to know when is the next host planned.

Now, if everyone wants to surrender the game to me now I wouldn't object much

Otherwise, let us cont. happily beating each other senseless

PashaDawg · #**503** September 13th, 2009, 01:11 PM

Hello:

Jotunheim has won the game. Congratulations, Wraithlord!

Thanks to all for playing.

By the way, any critiques about the map would be appreciated, in case I make another big map. What was good. What as kooky or annoying. No obligation to comment, of course.

Pasha

archaeolept · #**504** September 13th, 2009, 01:41 PM

That was one of the most pathetic excuses for a win that I've ever seen. Aristander, in collusion with Wraithlord, just throws the game to him. Never in many years of playing dominions have I seen the like, and I would love someone to link to a game where this happened and was accepted practice. Both of the final two vps were thrown to him, instead of defended; wraithlord certainly was fully complicit in this, taking R'lyeh's very capital without resistance.

I haven't seen such a rigged win since playing Norfleet.

This was not a win in anything other than a technical sense. Wraithlord and Aristander show themselves as players without honour, whatever that counts for.

It also demonstrates nothing as to skill playing in the game; it is the most egregious hack of a win I have ever encountered, and I am sorry that such an epic game, so wonderfully hosted by pashadawg, should end in this manner.

I will take this as an admission that WL could not win by above board means, and so had to resort to such subterfuge.

archaeolept · #**505** September 13th, 2009, 02:25 PM

Actually, I didn't see the final battle - partially I'm surmising from the previous actions. Pasha was earlier willing to release the turn files, so hopefully any questions on this will be easily cleared up. The 6th VP was certainly colluded on, and I very much doubt that anything changed two turns later for the 7th - rlyeh's huge teleport army was still located somewhere else, and there had clearly been no attempt to get it home to defend his cap, and final vp, against WL.

Aethyr · #**506** September 13th, 2009, 02:35 PM

Well, I for one will congratulate WL on a game well played.

Pasha, this was another beautiful map & the w/ports version makes it about as perfect as can be. Thanks for another great game.

WraithLord · #**507** September 13th, 2009, 03:11 PM

Thank you Aethyr and Pasha for the congrats

Pasha, many many thanks for hosting this game so well.

Arch. this is just a game so please don't get so upset. Your messages are offensive and aggressive and I think it would not hurt one bit if you tone yourself down some. R'lyeh was your enemy in this game so you shouldn't blame him for any VPs he lost to me. I was your enemy as well and we were at open war so all VPs in the game were fair game. If I managed to take a given VP it was b/c you failed to stop me. You and I were the superpowers in this game so blaming the lesser kingdoms for your loss seems outstretched, now blaming your enemy for your loss seems completely unreasonable. I wouldn't have minded one bit had you won the game, I enjoy playing the game and don't mind losing to a good opponent. That said, I do what I can to win, sometimes it works, most of the times it doesn't

- No big deal as playing this game with the great friends on this forum is the true reward.

archaeolept · #**508** September 13th, 2009, 03:30 PM

i'm not especially upset, just somewhat appalled. It does not bother me that you find my implications offensive, as they are correct. I've never seen such blatant collusion to just give away a game ever in all my years of playing Dominions. If such activities are considered fine, are there any, other than outright hacking, that aren't?

I wouldn't have minded if you had won - I've lost often enough. But such a win is not an honest one. Please show me other games on this forum where there has been such a collusion. As far as I know, and rather surprisingly, such bare-faced throwing of a long-standing game is unprecedented.

I see you do not deny the content of my claims.

"If I managed to take a given VP it was b/c you failed to stop me."

not quite, though an entertaining dodge. You managed to take these two vps as you were given them, knowingly, by your ally, who refused to defend them specifically so that you could win. "by any means necessary", I guess. Those are not the actions that friends take in a "friendly" game.

Again, I ask, when else has the like occurred? To have great and epic games settled by such collusion - is this not destructive of the very bases upon which this community, and the games it sets up, are played?

WraithLord · #**509** September 13th, 2009, 03:51 PM

I will not be dragged into a flame war with you.
You are entitled to your opinions.
Going forward I choose to ignore your offensive posts.

archaeolept · #**510** September 13th, 2009, 03:55 PM

This is not a flame. I've asked specific questions about the game and about claims you have made. You just do not wish for them to be answered. Do you deny you were in explicit league w/ Aristander for him to throw the game to you? Has this every happened in a game here on the forums? Was it considered acceptable then? Is there any limit to in-game actions proper to a game of Dominions in this community?

Why would these questions be considered offensive?