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Valerius · #1 September 28th, 2008, 06:13 PM

I've turned off quickhost so the game doesn't host before Ossa has a chance to work on his turn. Once this turn is done quickhost will be turned back on.

Valerius · #2 September 29th, 2008, 10:44 AM

Well, it looks like I've made a mess of things. Meursy's point is valid: he attacked in expectation of an AI attacking him. I hadn't really considered the lost resources to him of a wasted attack if we then found a sub. I think I was mainly thinking that it was my responsibility as game admin to find a sub rather than set the nation to AI.

Sorry for the mistake. What do you guys want to do?

Meursy · #3 September 29th, 2008, 10:57 AM

Ha ha, the reason we are 'at war' is that I expected to be facing a hostile AI

In fact I am contesting allowing a sub to come in after the time period for finding a sub (set by Valerius) had passed.

From my point of view no problem if Val says "find a sub before next turn or AI" and he does find a sub. My problem is that he said "find a sub before next turn or AI", the next turn comes and goes, I prepare for AI, then instead of AI he finds a sub!

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work Valerius is doing as admin, and I know he's just trying to do the best for the game. But I also feel as admin he has a degree of responsibility to the existing, regular players to be as clear and reliable as possible...and not say one thing then do something else! Very frustrating!

Of course the fact I've wasted a bunch of resources and time for nothing based on misleading information contributes to this opinion, but I still reckon I have a valid point

So, Ossa, I guess I'm asking if you mind not subbing in. I assume it doesn't matter to you because you've just popped in, so I guess it's up to the remaining regular players. What do others think?

I admit I'm a little biased here too!

And yeah, Ossa, if you do stay in, please leave the province to the east of your cap alone for two turns, I need the time to get my poor astrologer out!

Cheers,
Meursy

Meursy · #4 September 29th, 2008, 10:59 AM

Hey Valerius,

Nah mate, maybe I'm being too harsh, you haven't made a mess of things, I know you're just trying to find a sub to make the game cooler.

Meursy · #5 September 29th, 2008, 11:09 AM

Val buddy, I sent you a PM, it seems we're shooting messages all over the place atm.

I'll ask for a small delay (though if autohosting is turned off it doesn't matter) so we can resolve this situation and so I know what orders to give my troops!

I'm off to bed, goodnight all

Valerius · #6 September 29th, 2008, 11:16 AM

I'm going to take Meursy's advice and delay hosting by 24 hours so we can straighten this out. For those of you who are interested here is the sequence of events:

Meursy brought it to my attention that Mictlan was staling. I posted for a sub for a couple of days but got no response. Since LoloMo was kind enough to set Man to AI earlier in the game I PMed asking him to do the same for Mictlan (I probably should have PMed him earlier than I did but I wanted to see if a sub would appear). He did not get my PM until after hosting, meaning Meursy did not encounter the AI nation he expected during his attack. When Ossa volunteered the "turn to AI" orders had been submitted but the turn hadn't hosted so I felt it was my responsibility to have the nation taken over by a sub rather than an AI. The problem of course, that I hadn't really considered, is that Meursy had put the resources into an attack expecting an AI to attack him. And that's where we are now.

Ossa · #7 September 29th, 2008, 01:26 PM

I'll leave the province east of my capital alone - whether I should sub now is your call.

I'd like to play if possible, and I can compensate your losses with some astral gems if you want... say 30?

Valerius · #8 September 29th, 2008, 02:32 PM

Thanks, Ossa. Since I'm responsible for the situation I will add something to Ossa's offer of 30 gems. I'll PM you about this.

Meursy, it's your call: how would you like to proceed?

Meursy · #9 September 30th, 2008, 03:18 AM

Hey all,

Thanks to both Valerius and Ossa for your understanding of my side of the situation, and also for being involved in the game

And also thanks for both of your offers of compensation.

Considering both actual gem expenditure, mage time lost (2 or 3 turns per mage), pretender time lost (2 turns), and the poor astrologer who bit the dust, and using an ad hoc formula of 1 mage turn = 1 astral pearl in value (not sure how fair that is) 30 astral gems could be fair. For me, I'm not so sure about Mictlan!

We can say that Mictlan is buying off the ferocious legions of Arcoscephale with that price

*takes money and runs before new Mictlan commander has time to evaluate own strength*

So I'd accept that offer from Ossa, and we can get the game going again, all human

And Valerius, no need for you to offer anything, since your nation wasn't involved in any battle I don't see why you should offer anything...being an admin shouldn't be a disadvantage!

Alrighty guys, I'll do the turn and get it in in a bit.

Game on,
Meursy

Valerius · #10 September 30th, 2008, 10:48 AM

Ok, great! Ossa could you confirm that you've submitted your turn? After all this I wouldn't want the game to host with the "set to AI" orders rather than your own. I will delay hosting until I hear from you.