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[chrispedersen]

grudge: Can you post a list of all the people you've received pretenders from?

I know you haven't checked em yet....

[Peacekeeper]

did you get my PM with my email address chris? sent it a couple days ago and the first post hasnt been updated with it.

[legolasjrt]

you have received my mp?

[chrispedersen]

Your email has been received legolas. I've just fixed the map errors, and I'm waiting on word from grudge on the pretenders.
(First post updated)

[chrispedersen]

Absent a catastrophe, I'm done creating the map. What a pain!
Due to lack of time to spend more time on this, the center crown was created (7 vps). No special sites were assigned.

The potention starting sites are:
14
31
38
54
68
94
95
151

122
149
97
176

188
206
190
214
207

236
237

Let me know if you see a problem. The general criteria were: Could not be closer than 3 to anyone else. Only had 4-5 neighbors. Could not be closer than 3 to the starting vp provinces.

I did *not* adjust to make sure everyone was the same distance from the starting locations, I did not adjust for starting terrains.

The coastal requirements for some nations were a pain with these requirements. 3 Provinces were put in to allow coastal starts.

[pyg]

Hmmm, all the VP are in the water or across the water. Additionally it seems that having them all together will make them closer to a few nations and far away from most. I'm still fine playing on the map as it is currently because I'm playing a fun nation to have fun, but this seems less fair to me than victory by concession or evenly distributed VPs with the majority on land.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by pyg

Hmmm, all the VP are in the water or across the water. Additionally it seems that having them all together will make them closer to a few nations and far away from most. I'm still fine playing on the map as it is currently because I'm playing a fun nation to have fun, but this seems less fair to me than victory by concession or evenly distributed VPs with the majority on land.

You are exactly correct pyg. I'd have the same problem. I spent more than 8 hours correcting neighbor provinces, and figuring out potential starting points.

So I think its OK for a starting game - but I really would like the feedback if other people can improve the starting locations.

Finding 13 start locations all with fair neighbor count and all equidistant from the center is, on this map, impossible I think. It might be better to let further nations have more neighbors, or a pop bonus etc.

[Verjigorm]

Nagot gick fel!

Cannot find a valid starting province.

All of the provinces (including the ones indicated in your post) on the map file that has been uploaded in the OP are marked No Start.

[chrispedersen]

!!!!??? I started 5-6 games with full users.
Did you look at crown?

Now, there is one potential issue: Vanheim (iirc) needs a coastal location. As I recall I put in three of them. However, if all the coastal locations are taken (by other races) you will get a Nagock error.

I wonder if putting Vanheim in as the first nation helps...

[Peacekeeper]

why not move the 5 victory points out of the water provinces to land ones that surround the middle lake? like 127, 74, 60, 88 and 132.