Best Unit in the Game... Any thoughts? - Page 8

Meglobob · #71 July 5th, 2007, 07:19 PM

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PvK said:
I still think Tartarians are about the "best" bang for buck, generally speaking...

I agree, but please never nerf them.

CUnknown · #72 July 5th, 2007, 10:53 PM

Tartarians already are pre-nerfed, aren't they? I mean, most have afflictions, and most aren't commanders so they cost an extra 25 nature gems to make them really good. And since they are level-9 conjuration, it makes sense that they are extremely good bang for the buck.

Shovah32 · #73 July 5th, 2007, 11:48 PM

The main balancing factor of tartarians is that they need a mage with 7 death magic to summon them which means that without huge investment/design points+pretender time its hard to get them, let alone in large numbers.

D3 mage with skull staff, skullface, ring of wizardry and ring of sorcery - 30 death gems and 100 astral pearls iirc

D4 mage with skullface, skullstaff and ring of sorcery - 30 death gems and 40 astral pearls iirc

D5 mage(rare, probably either pretender/D3 mage with 110% random that includes death which requires alot of luck) with skullface and skull staff - 30 death gems, hard to get

D6 mage with skullface - 10 death gems, either pretender or one of the previous mages empowered in death

D7 mage - Pretender/one of previous with empowerment

note: boosters could be swapped for levels of empowerment in death.

PvK · #74 July 6th, 2007, 12:28 AM

It does take some doing to get Tartarians, but it's worth doing and there are death summons which can help many nations climb up to it. To get started you need a D2 mage, or a D1W2 or D1S3. Then you can summon something with D3, boost to D5, which lets you summon a D4, then you can probably find something to boost him to D7.

Then... you get to summon pretender-class guys for 10 death gems each turn. They're certainly worth GOR'ing and healing, but are very strong even without it, and give you more high-level random magic.

vfb · #75 July 6th, 2007, 01:04 AM

The FAQ states that for removing undead afflictions, you need either the Chalice or Gift of Health. I've got a few Faery Queens sitting around 'Heal'ing in one game, and while they managed to patch up a few devils, I haven't noticed any of my Tartarians healing at all.

Has anyone had any success healing Tartarians without the Chalice or Gift of Health?

Kristoffer O · #76 July 6th, 2007, 07:04 AM

I have a vague recollection that we didn't want them to be healed, making inanimated unhealable, but that might be wishful thinking.

Meglobob · #77 July 6th, 2007, 10:24 AM

Fairy queens are absolutely useless when it comes to healing tartarians, they in particular seem to stuggle to heal feeblemind.

Amhazair · #78 July 6th, 2007, 12:24 PM

Gift of health does a rather nice job of curing afflictions on Tartarians. In the one game where I got it up while I had Tartarians I estimate (very rough guess, with a rather small sample size since the game didn't last very long anymore) that afflictions had about 1 chance in 4 of disappearing.

Meglobob · #79 July 6th, 2007, 03:10 PM

The chalice is far better it basically heals same turn the tartarian is summoned or the next turn.

Lazy_Perfectionist · #80 July 6th, 2007, 03:15 PM

I have to like the Frost Father. It has a few weaknesses, namely encumberance of 3, and lack of any reinvig. But I've had one, no equipment, only alt 2 spells, take down fifty undead before falling unconscious. Considering I didn't get any use out of the chill aura, that wasn't bad. If i can get the right gear, he'll be untouchable.