Who Reanimates?

[thejeff]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Are you saying a Sauromatian Mound King H2
doesn't reanimate as an H3? Because I'm fairly sure it does.

Hmmm. You're right. I thought I'd checked that before.

OK, I think the trick is that undead priests get their level boosted with these nations. MA Ermor's living priests, who can reanimate, don't. That may be what confused me.

[Agema]

I'm not entirely sure, but I'm sure I'm playing two unmodded games, and I'm pretty sure MA Ermor can cast "reanimation" at half gem cost, and they are all longdead velites/legionaries/triarii etc. which makes them very slightly better than your average longdead casualties-soon-to-be.

[earcaraxe]

Do Carrion centaurs reanimate only 1 mainkin each try? i was expeimenting with this a little, trying grasslands, forests with or without temples, with or without corpses. Does any circumstance have an effect on the quality of them?

how about other methods of animating manikins?

[chrispedersen]

It is my belief that both woodlands, and temples in woodlands boost the quality of the reanimation.

Opinion only.

[Fantomen]

Woodlands increase quantity and temples increase quality. But I beleive this is only true for Carrion woods, and has no effect on reanimation done by priests or through ritual spells.

[Jarkko]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

Woodlands increase quantity and temples increase quality. But I beleive this is only true for Carrion woods, and has no effect on reanimation done by priests or through ritual spells.

If we are still referring to Pangaea reanimating, that is not true. In non-forest provinces the Pangaean reanimators (either the Carrion summons, or undead priests you have got your hands on them somehow) summon only standard manikin. In forests with temples they reanimate all sorts of carrin things, from the useless wingless carrion-harpies to stuff-for-legends carrion elephants (basically the same thing as the Death spell Behemoth, except the carrion elephant is green and doesn't cost gems ).

A Luck-scale is good to have if you want to recieve the good ones (forest+temple is *needed* though). You'll get more carrions if you have a Growth scale. So, in a grassland province with Death or Neutral-growth scale you will very likely recieve just at most 1 single manikin.

[earcaraxe]

Seeing the contradicting opinions i made some experimenting with carrion centaurs animating manikins, under vanilla.
It can be considered proven, that a c.c. always makes one manikin a turn (at least under the circumstances i tested)


(terrain): (total nmbr of manikins,nmbr of mammoths,nmbr of harpies)

the first vector is for growth3, the second is for turm3,luck3

forest: (54,1,7), (29,0,2)
forest, temple: (40,0,5), (24,1,5)
mountain: (41,1,11), (20,0,4)
nonforest, temple: (40,0,8), (29,0,4) (temple was razed halfway)

It seems to me, that there are no significant differences in the quality of the manikins if there are any at all.

there were some losses of manikins because of random events but i dont consider them significant to the conclusion.

[chrispedersen]

How does 54 vs 40 confirm that they only reanimate 1 /turn?

don't get me wrong, I believe they only *do* reanimate 1/turn. I'm just curious how the test confirms it.

[Jarkko]

Originally Posted by earcaraxe

It seems to me, that there are no significant differences in the quality of the manikins if there are any at all.

Huh? You see no difference in quality between a carrion harpy and a carrion behemoth?

there were some losses of manikins because of random events but i dont consider them significant to the conclusion.

Your data also shows that your numbers don't add up Would be interesting to know how you came to your conclusions, because the numbers simply are not correct if your conclusion is 1 manikin/per turn per cc

[Digress]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

How does 54 vs 40 confirm that they only reanimate 1 /turn?

don't get me wrong, I believe they only *do* reanimate 1/turn. I'm just curious how the test confirms it.

Well it would help if he included number of turns ...