Minor German OOB error

[PatG]

OOB 16 Germany Formation 561 Capt A/Cars uses Munitions LKW as the template unit giving munitions carriers rather than armoured cars.

[DRG]

Hmmmmm...... so it does. I'll look into that. Thanks.

Don

[Shan]

While you're at it - German OOB, some minor points:

Unit 40 - StuGII G (also found under many more slots) - has a bow MG. Can anyone confirm that it really had one?
I would say: no - I could nowhere find a StuGIII version with a bow MG. The AAMG with a protective shield is fine as an addition later in the war.

Some minor translation problems:

Unit 78 'Heeresfahrzeug' should be renamed... it's simply a small horse wagon which may carry the lIG18 and the like, you could call it 'Karren' - or call it 'leichter Feldwagen', abbreviated 'le. Feldwagen' as the Feldwagen already exists (Heeresfahrzeug = army vehicle)

Formation 401 - 'Ingenieurtrager' (?!) should also be renamed: It has a single bulldozer assigned, which is correctly named 'Planierraupe' - so why not name it Planierraupe

Unit 455 - 'Munitionwagen' would be 'MunitionSwagen'

[Brummbar]

I found something from my ASL day's on the StuG IIIG. In the DYO section of the game they list a StuG IIIG(L) as having a CMG and AAMG. The (L) meaning late model. It also stated that not all late models were produced with this addidion but the game peice in question was.
Just my 2 cents worth.

[DRG]

Shan said:
While you're at it - German OOB, some minor points:

Unit 40 - StuGII G (also found under many more slots) - has a bow MG. Can anyone confirm that it really had one?
I would say: no - I could nowhere find a StuGIII version with a bow MG.

Hmmmmm....interesting. Yes, this does appear to be wrong and it appears to have been wrong for years. I will dig into this one a bit deeper as it's more than a little odd this would have been missed for nearly 10 years given the number of people willing to debate how many rivets should be in the sideskirts

( but stranger things have happened )

There is something about this though that nags at an old memory of this being discussed in the past but I will put it on the "to-do" list for investigation.

Don

[Shan]

It's not a big deal anyways. Overall the German OOB is probably about as correct as it will get...

About the StuGIII - if you consider the way it's built and meant to use, then I can't imagine how to fit a bow MG. They had only a 4-man crew, which means: no radio guy + no space on the rifgt side of the hull for a bow MG - this area was most likely used for ammo storage, given the cramped conditions inside. I am sure digging a bit would produce some inside photos or sketches to confirm this.

[JohnHale]

On the subject of StuGs: why do we have both a StuGIIIA and 'B in the game? They seem to be identical.

[CharlesM]

The MG on the StuG II Ausf. G fired throuh the mantlet, and I have photos of vehicles with these fitted into the Saukopfblende (sow's head mantlet). Off-hand I cannot remember whether the modification was ever made on the composite mantlets made from flat plates. I'll check. It was Bob McNamara who spotted this feature from photos he had of StuG III Gs.

[TreadHead]

Yes, a block-style mantlet was produced with a coaxial MG for the mid-production StuG III Ausf G and was introduced in June '44. And a Saukopfblend with coaxial MG was introduced in Oct '44 on the late production vehicles. There is a more lengthy discussion on this in the thread "Stug AAMG's???".

Ross

[DRG]

PatG said:
OOB 16 Germany Formation 561 Capt A/Cars uses Munitions LKW as the template unit giving munitions carriers rather than armoured cars.

Now fixed. There were three captured A/C's lurking in UC 106 used by one of the OrPo formations and they now have a new UC and reside in that Capt A/Cars formation.


Don