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Re: MBT's
Well, we won't see them in time, but they are newsworthy none the less.
I speak of the CHALLENGER 3 and M10 BOOKER.
Britain has just received its last PROTOTYPE (8th) at the end of last week. The test plan requires all eight must complete their evaluations successfully before they proceed with initial production ( Might be driven by lessons/costs learned from the continuing evaluation of the AJAX.) as the focus will be different for each unit i.e. gunnery and protection evaluations etc. etc. (Though all will be evaluated overall as well.) and consolidation of all the data as needed to be incorporated into all the PROTOTYPES (Except maybe for the 1 or 2 involved in the armor evaluation.)
Initial operating capability (IOC-mine.) is expected in 2027, while full operating capability is scheduled in 2030 (FOC-mine.) . From Ref.3 below.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c25r15dj9n9o
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...llenger_3.html
https://www.army-technology.com/proj...bt-uk/?cf-view
The USA did the opposite by receiving their first M-10 PROTOTYPE this past week. Though the 2nd ref. is a little " exuberate" in fielding by FY-2025 (Oct. 2024.) the reality is that the 82nd Airborne " All the Way! " w/o production delays of the PROTOTYPES will START OPEVALS late this year.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_april_2024_global_security_army_indus try/us_army_takes_delivery_of_first_production_m10_boo ker_mobile_protected_firepower_light_tank.html[/url]
[url]https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_april_2024_global_security_army_indus try/us_army_awards_technical_support_contract_to_gener al_dynamics_for_m10_booker.html
We'll miss this one by a couple of years as well.
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April 29th, 2024, 12:36 PM
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Re: MBT's
That's a funny one, it's basiacally evolution of 21st century tank:
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April 29th, 2024, 03:22 PM
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Re: MBT's
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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH
M10 BOOKER.
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If anyone finds good data on hull length and width post it please. I can guess based on the photo but I don't want to ( been there------done that then redid it.......which I will again )
Rough WIP compared to Abrams
a few more tweaks until we have some solid dimensions ( 4x )
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Re: MBT's
" The M10 Booker light tank has the following dimensions:
Length: 24.9 feet (approximately 7.6 meters)
Width: 11.2 feet (approximately 3.4 meters)
Height: 9.2 feet (approximately 2.8 meters) "
From an MSN article from Oct. 13, 2023, titled "New Gem for the U.S. Army. The light tank M-10 Booker."
I'm unable to retrieve this article from MSN. I get the following message when I try; " This page no longer exists. New search page will load automatically. "
I get re-directed to the current MSN page. It's the only one I've seen with these measurements.
My " Copilot" puts it on top (The same article.) as well in its search as well.
At least I can say I found it first that's why I'm the Pilot.
Sorry best that I can do.
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Re: MBT's
Quote:
Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH
" The M10 Booker light tank has the following dimensions:
Length: 24.9 feet (approximately 7.6 meters)
Width: 11.2 feet (approximately 3.4 meters)
Height: 9.2 feet (approximately 2.8 meters) "
From an MSN article from Oct. 13, 2023, titled "New Gem for the U.S. Army. The light tank M-10 Booker."
I'm unable to retrieve this article from MSN. I get the following message when I try; " This page no longer exists. New search page will load automatically. "
I get re-directed to the current MSN page. It's the only one I've seen with these measurements.
My " Copilot" puts it on top (The same article.) as well in its search as well.
At least I can say I found it first that's why I'm the Pilot.
Sorry best that I can do.
Regards,
Pat
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I was 1 pixel short on hull length. Width was 2 pixels too wide but I included added side armour and IDK if those dimensions of of standard hull or not.......all things considered.. "close enough" but an easy tweak makes it better.
Now I just need to confirm where the engine is and any air intakes
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Re: MBT's
FRONT Mounted engine.
https://militaryview.com/m10-booker-mpf/
(#5)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/unit...tank_data.html
TI/GSR 60 based on FCS has " Hunter Killer" capability.
Can have modular armor packages.
WORK!!
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Re: MBT's
It also says.......
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.Protection against the firing of small arms, artillery shell splinters, and IEDs
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........... so don't expect it to go toe to toe with a T-90
My WAG is these are support units for Bradleys and it sounds like they have comparable armour though the Booker is 10 tons heavier that might all be in the gun and turret.........time will tell
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