MP: Qwerty - MA team game. Finished

[ano]

This is a MA team game for more or less skilled players. Actually, people of any skill are welcome but if you realize you are a total newbie, better join one of the newbie games which are rather popular here.

The rules are the following:
- Players sign up as teams of two people and the nation pairs will be randomly distributed between these teams.
- If you don't have a teammate, you will be randomly given one from the list of players who also didn't have it.
- Suggested map is Alexander by PashaDawg (see attachment if you haven't got it yet).
- Graphs on, sites 50%, renaming on, HoF 15, everything else standard
- Host is Llamaserver. Please read the FAQ if you don't know how to use it
- Hosting schedule: 24 hours per turn for first 15 turns, 48 hours starting from turn 16.
- Partners are free to share their pair of nations in any way the like.
- Partners may watch turns of each other, may substitute each other if there's a need and may even be subscribed to receive each other's turns (however I'm not sure that it is possible at Llamaserver)

Here are the nation pairs:
Arcoscephale(Ossa) - Oceania(klagrok)
Pythium(Hoplosternum) - Ulm(kasnavada)
Eriu(ddavidd) - Ermor(Solmyr)
Mictlan(Baalz) - Atlantis (Meglobob)
Agartha(karnoza) - Tien Chi(ano)
Abysia(Janlm) - Shinuyama (OoohSnap)
Caelum(Dimaz) - Bandar Log (Kuritza)
Jotunheim(Kheldron) - Pangaea(Sicaire)
Vanheimdanbo) - R'lyeh(Dirol Terminator)
Man(Cor2) - C'tis(WraithLord) - Winner
Machaka(Don Pablo) - Marignon(Veto)

Here's the list of exploits I would not like to see in this game:
- "Cast long-lasting battlefield enchantment and retreat". Please, don't script your mage who casts a battlefield enchantment to leave earlier that round 6 or 5 (for returning)
- "Overfilling enemy lab". Don't send magic items to your enemy to make him lose his own items.
- "Mists of Deception + Wrathful Skies". This one doesn't need description, I think.
- any other severe bugs found in the process of the game

Game has been created at llamaserver. This is the link

[Zeldor]

CBM? I really don't know why any game now would start without CBM.

Oh, and teams are not so equal. And any water nations in team game will just slow down the game.

[ano]

I would not like it as I really see no reason why a game would start with it. I like vanilla game as it is.
What imbalance do you see in teams? Of course, they are not so equal but I don't think there's a balance it this game at all.

[Zeldor]

Why would you prefer unbalanced vanilla with many useless and overpriced things?

Land-water teams are not good. They cannot really help land partner. OR the other way around. Man-C'tis team is very weak too. Weakest nation of the game + one decent one. You also forgot about the new race coming with patch.

Anyway, if that is not CBM I am not joining. I will have much more free time soon and I will want to take part in team game. But I got to know some MP and how many things are unbalanced in vanilla so I am not touching it. Making exception only for mega-game.

[quantum_mechani]

ano said:
Of course, they are not so equal but I don't think there's a balance it this game at all.

This seems to be the eternal misunderstanding of CBM. It's not really about balance between nation (though that is not ignored) but about opening up options. People in their right mind should simply not pick things like the Son of the Sun or cast summons like sea dogs in the base game. Making these sorts of things into true viable options is the number one goal of the mod.

[Hoplosternum]

I'd like to play. I would rather play CBM as it does try and balance things a little. It makes certain very weak spells, items and pretenders slightly better and therefore not such obvious things to avoid.

But no problem if you want vanilla.

[Micah]

If CBM is going to be in play I'd like to sign up, and QM has agreed to team with me.

[ano]

quantum_mechani said:
This seems to be the eternal misunderstanding of CBM. It's not really about balance between nation (though that is not ignored) but about opening up options. People in their right mind should simply not pick things like the Son of the Sun or cast summons like sea dogs in the base game. Making these sorts of things into true viable options is the number one goal of the mod.

I understand that. And I am pretty sure you are right as for the balancing useless things and I appreciate the job you've done on it. However, I don't feel it is right time for me (and not only for me) to start experiencing CBM from the team game.
Zeldor:
I disagree as for Man being the weakest nation and C'tis being decent. Also, I don't think that land-water make a bad alliance. The may be even more able to help each other than land allies who have hostile space between them. OTOH, water-water alliance makes people divide water between them other than expand and fight for it while ally fights for the land. I really don't that water-water alliance has any chance in the team game.
However if we don't have full house then after nations are assigned, we may randomly assign the remaining pairs among those who won't be satisfied with the choice.

[Zeldor]

Ok, I understand and respect your choice.

If someone decides to start CBM team game I will join. Or start one myself in 2-3 weeks.

[Cor2]

I support you on the no CMB mod choice Ano.

I have alot of games going right now, and I am losing them all But summer is coming up and I will have alot of free time. So I am in. I do not have a team mate.