PBW RACE TO SEV TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS

[Joachim]

Renegade 13 said:

Gozra said:
We have found a bit of information to be entertaining. It seems that four empires have formed a kill everyone but us alliance. The pladino collective have become an apendage to these four. I would suggest that all who are not part of this alliance form an anti-alliance Alliance. I would be willing to be a part of this alliance until the 4 are destroyed. Next turn I will offer partnerships to all those who are not of the 4. You may do as you will.

The Hamamatsu Federation



I assume you're talking about the Atull game. Well, seeing as how I'm one of the empires that is a victim of the 4 empire alliance, I would be willing to join you. Or rather, I would be willing, except that I have lost nearly all of my planets, almost all of my ships, and will declare myself dead within a couple of turns. So no need to propose a partnership to the Tyrellian Imperium http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif



It is an unfortunate product of the game set up - it encourages these early partnerships and trading/research deals. You have to engage in them or you get left behind. Perhaps the next round should have a strict no treaty above NA and no trading including ships.

And speaking as the Dei to the Hams... If you were brave enough to pick religious you were always going to be a target.

[Cheeze]

Joachim said:
It is an unfortunate product of the game set up - it encourages these early partnerships and trading/research deals. You have to engage in them or you get left behind. Perhaps the next round should have a strict no treaty above NA and no trading including ships.



If four empires decide to team up and take out everyone else..not one of those rules you mention has absolutely ANY effect on that kind of agreement.

[Joachim]

Cheeze said:

Joachim said:
It is an unfortunate product of the game set up - it encourages these early partnerships and trading/research deals. You have to engage in them or you get left behind. Perhaps the next round should have a strict no treaty above NA and no trading including ships.



If four empires decide to team up and take out everyone else..not one of those rules you mention has absolutely ANY effect on that kind of agreement.



Yes it does. THe advantage of 4 teaming up is that you only have to research a quarter of the tech, or in other words you get 4 times as much tech. Plus the immeadiate trade of at least 2 or 3 breather types (possibly 4 if you are lucky) and 2 or 3 colony types. You can also trade resources, allowing the most efficient use of everyone's planets.

So, contrary to your "ANY" clearly, not allowing trade of any kind stops the research, breather, colony type and resource trades. So please explain how this would not balance the field better? The remaining players still have a chance as they will not be left so far behind on the tech tree and colonisation tree.

[Cheeze]

Joachim said:
Yes it does. THe advantage of 4 teaming up is that you only have to research a quarter of the tech, or in other words you get 4 times as much tech. Plus the immeadiate trade of at least 2 or 3 breather types (possibly 4 if you are lucky) and 2 or 3 colony types. You can also trade resources, allowing the most efficient use of everyone's planets.

So, contrary to your "ANY" clearly, not allowing trade of any kind stops the research, breather, colony type and resource trades. So please explain how this would not balance the field better? The remaining players still have a chance as they will not be left so far behind on the tech tree and colonisation tree.



No, since they can do all those things with every player. However, an agreement to eliminate everyone else is not something your rules have any effect. So there is no balancing on that. Explain to me how these stipulations effect that kind of strategy.

[Joachim]

Cheeze said:

Joachim said:
Yes it does. THe advantage of 4 teaming up is that you only have to research a quarter of the tech, or in other words you get 4 times as much tech. Plus the immeadiate trade of at least 2 or 3 breather types (possibly 4 if you are lucky) and 2 or 3 colony types. You can also trade resources, allowing the most efficient use of everyone's planets.

So, contrary to your "ANY" clearly, not allowing trade of any kind stops the research, breather, colony type and resource trades. So please explain how this would not balance the field better? The remaining players still have a chance as they will not be left so far behind on the tech tree and colonisation tree.



No, since they can do all those things with every player. However, an agreement to eliminate everyone else is not something your rules have any effect. So there is no balancing on that. Explain to me how these stipulations effect that kind of strategy.



Because it gives the other players a chance. Simply put, an alliance of 4 trading everything will put themselves so far ahead with tech that the remaining players cannot stand a chance. If they dont have that advantage the other players still do have a chance. Not as good, but much better than it is with a wide tech gap.

[Cheeze]

They have the same chances either way. One way might take slightly longer, that's all.

Without the ability to receive support or information from others, those rules isolate the other empires even more, and make them easier targets for the four allies, only the targets have even less chance of knowing what is happening.

[Ed Kolis]

Remember though, that if I understand the rules correctly, only one empire from each game will advance to round 2, where the prizes are guaranteed... so the 4 empires in any alliance will still have to fight it out just like any other alliance in a cutthroat game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[tesco samoa]

yep only one empire makes it... so the weaker ones of the alliance should perhaps think about their game plan... as finishing 2nd in the first round is as good as finishing 10th

Hence why the game is set up the way it is.

[brianeyci]

Tesco check your mail we need a ruling in the Osshod Game.

Brian

[tesco samoa]

it is being looked at.

[Caduceus]

Anyone going away for [American] Thanksgiving?

[AMF]

Yes, in fact, I was just in the process of notifying hosts and posting on the SEV list...

I shouldn've notified earlier, but I sort of forgot about it. Getting old I guess...


wildcard06 said:
Anyone going away for [American] Thanksgiving?

[Captain Kwok]

Atull and Dertran will be on ALPU for November 24-28. Tesco's two games will likely do the same.

[tesco samoa]

RACE TO SEV FORUMS UPGRADE>

The forums will be down for a day as I will be upgrading the forums to phpBB 2.0.11

This will occur on sunday.

[Atrocities]

Awsome.

[tesco samoa]

update is complete.

forums open again for posting...

[Parasite]

Three of my colony ships took a shortcut through "Enemy" space. They got bLasted. Never trust shortcuts! Even ones you make yourself.

[ToddT]

Yeah i noticed that, but wasn't that short cut the result of paranoid nightmares http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
I guess I need to put something a little more current then the ancient BCduc2 ships at that warp point

[Caduceus]

These are the final days of the Race to SEV?!?

When do we officially end round 1?

[tesco samoa]

Well Not Yet. No one has won a game yet. Play on and on

[tesco samoa]

The last vestage of hope for the Galaxy was crushed beneth the boot of Brotherhood opression. The feeble beliefs of the lesser races are no match for the true power of Huitzilopochtli the Western Sun.

Patron Flatline
Scarlet Brotherhood

Osshad Game is complete.... Our First Victor

[Captain Kwok]

Congratulations to Douglas and his empire, the Shardeen Hive - winner of the Dertran game and second finalist!

[Atrocities]

YEs indeed Congrats.

[Joachim]

PBW is down. I cant upload my turn for Atull.
If it cycles we will need to wind it back.

[tesco samoa]

Congrats to Rex. Winner of Tundran game.
3rd game to end.

Reminder that Random draw will be coming up on #se4 channel after all the games of round one has completed. Those who are not in the tourney can join in for the fun when I do the draw.

The winners will be posted here, and at pbw and at the racetosev. Also an email will be sent to the winner. They have one week to claim their prize. Or another person will be drawn.

[Renegade 13]

Will you post the date and time that the draw will be held in advance, so those of us who do not frequent the #spaceempires channel can attend?

[douglas]

Just checking, but are the finalists included in the random draw? I'd hate to be denied a chance to start beta testing right away just because I might make it into the top two and get a beta slot later.

[tesco samoa]

finalists are not in the random draw.

and yes the date will be posted in advance.

[Caduceus]

What is the status of the last few slots, Tesco?

(waits for final hammer to fall)

[tesco samoa]

i will find out from kwok...

[tesco samoa]

RACE TO SEV : RANDOM DRAW
Saturday April 9th 16:00 hours Eastern Standard Time.
Location #SpaceEmpires on irc.freenode.net
Prizes
3 beta slots for SEV
2 Copies of SEV ( When Released to the public )
6 gift certificates
1 Ship set from Atrocities
Rules : This announcement is being mailed to all players in the RacetoSEV tournament. After the draw official emails will be sent to the winners of the prizes. Prize winners will also be posted at the following locations. PBW, ShrapnelGames SE4 forum and PBW Race to SEV Forums. Winners have one week to claim their prize by contacting myself or Captain Kwok. If the winner does not reply within one week the prize will be redrawn. This will continue until all prizes are claimed.
Draw. All players who are not in the final will be placed in the random draw. Each name will be assigned a random number. Then a random number generator will be used to draw the number. Players can only win 1 beta slot or one copy of SEV.
Prize order. Beta slot, Gift Cert, Gift Cert, Copy of SEV, Shipset, Gift Cert, Beta Slot, Gift Cert, Gift Cert, Copy of SEV, Gift Cert, Beta Slot.
Connect to #Spaceempires. Please see the instructions at http://seirc.spaceempires.net/guide.php
Thanks to everyone with their help on the Race to Space Empires V

[mac5732]

by chance are there any 6 pack brewskis for those of us who don't make it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Caduceus]

..need not be present to win!! Woot! I will be out of town. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif but maybe I can hijack a local computer Saturday afternoon... (/me begins to scheme)

[parabolize]

Nevermind.

[tesco samoa]

THE WINNERS ARE:
1FSTCAT - Beta
CHRONON - Beta
GANDALPH - Beta
DRAGON_RIDER10 - Copy of SEV
SPOO - Copy of SEV
ALNEYAN - 25 dollar gift certificate for Shrapnel Games
JKUO -20 dollar gift certificates for Red Lobster / Olive Garden (donated by Wardad)
Obliviator - 20 dollar gift certificates for Red Lobster / Olive Garden (donated by Wardad)
Parasite - 20 dollar gift certificates for Red Lobster / Olive Garden (donated by Wardad)
Roanon - 20 dollar gift certificates for Red Lobster / Olive Garden (donated by Wardad)
Tanus - 20 dollar gift certificates for Red Lobster / Olive Garden (donated by Wardad)
Paladino - SEIV personalized ship set (donated by Atrocities)
Emails will go out today You have 1 week to claim your prize.

[Atrocities]

do you want this one unstuck as well?