OT: Season 3 BSG

[Atrocities]

**SPOILER**

All in all I have to say that I am really dissappointed by where BSG has gone especially after seeing the premier for season 3.

It seems to me that the series once again has changed channels so to speak, yup they did it too us again, as the old plot was scrapped for the new plot. It really just takes you out of the moment that you spent a year and a half getting into.

It is like they said.. "well this story line is limited, lets remake the show." And that is what they did. Now its BSG Iraq and that just irks me to no end.

Too many things went down without any explamination or back story. Lee got fat, Kira has a kid albeit in a somewhat 'oh ya by the way' kind of a way, Tie's lost and eye, and the former president is alledgely executed. Sure the shorts on scifi.com fill in one or two small blanks, but not near enough to make watching them worth while.

Now Sharon is a good cyclon back in with the fleet and on Adamas friends list... the show just took a 90 degree turn into way the hell out their territory and I find it hard too follow. Hell I found myself wanting to turn the show off and watch something else... That never happened before.

While no one really knows where their going with the show, and frankly I don't think they even know at this point with all the times that they have "re-invented the show."

I will keep on watching but at this point I am rapidly loosing interest in what I thought was one of the best sci-fi series to come along in a very long time. The first 15 episodes of Season 2 account for nothing now. The show just seems lost and a drift to the whim of the writers and their "hey this seems cool" story of the week cafeenated highs.

I hope I am proven wrong and the show picks up, but to be honest, there are some huge *** plot holes that need to be filled in before I can ever get behind this show 100% again.

[cshank2]

I just like how violent it's getting! Suicide bombs, stabbing dudes in the throat and killing b3bies? Rockin'.

[Randallw]

Huh, well I have a friend who gives me copies of the episodes so I'll see it soon, but I would probably keep watching it. I don't really care about that sort of stuff, for example I could say I've watched the Star Wars movies 500 times but it would be more exact to say i've watched the space battles 500 times. As long as BSG is Sci-fi with spaceships and stuff I'll keep watching. Now Lost, I watched every episode of the first season and started to watch the second but got as far as the introduction of some latina woman I hated from the moment she turned up. For the sake of my old love of it I kept watching, then she shot one of the main characters and I thought "yes, well maybe I'll skip it till she's dead" (having heard she was a diva and would soon get the boot). Now she's dead from what I hear but I've lost interest. I have no plans to even bother watching now, though I've sort of kept up on what was happening from reviews.

[Renegade 13]

Up here in Canada, we get BSG season 3 starting tomorrow. As such, I don't have an opinion on it yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[thorfrog]

I have to disagree with you. This show rocks. Hey it's not Star Trek with happy endings and I'm glad it's not. Besides how many times have we seen that model. I'm glad the show is relevent to the times. I'll keep this on Tivo. This is the best SciFI show out there.

[MasterChiToes]

Lost looks to be better this season than last.

***** BSG SPOILERS *****

Battlestar Galactica... not so thrilling so far. The Galactica is nothing more than a 'comma'... it isn't the best ship in the fleet, and the show isn't even about the fleet.

The stuff on the planet doesn't even make sense... the humans with all their political and social experience can't deal with the cylons, and the cylons for some fool reason need to occupy the planet instead of managing the zoo from orbit. Both the cylons and the humans fail to realize that with under 50k humans left, they'd need to be treated as an endangered species... yet both groups don't seem to put much value in people's lives.

I found it hard to sit through for two hours.

[Wade]

Battlestar Galactica is becomming even more of a soap opera. Perhaps the creators are trying to appeal to a wider audience...women.

[Atrocities]

thorfrog said:
I have to disagree with you. This show rocks. Hey it's not Star Trek with happy endings and I'm glad it's not. Besides how many times have we seen that model. I'm glad the show is relevent to the times. I'll keep this on Tivo. This is the best SciFI show out there.



I didn't compare it too star trek or any other show. To me the show seems to change its story lines as if the creator and writers don't really know where to take the show. "Hey this is cool, lets do this for a while." Just doesn't seem like something that interests me over time. They were cutting edge in season two then in the last few episodes they just went down hill fast. I am not alone in that POV, as many fans voiced dissappointment in the ending episodes of Season 2.

From what I have read most fans are as I am, perplexed as to what in the hell is going on. If they were going to do an Iraq war peace, they should have developed it more rather than jumping into it by just saying "one year later."

We lost a year. To me that means we no longer are watching BSG, but rather a spin off of BSG.

[Combat Wombat]

Wade said:
Battlestar Galactica is becomming even more of a soap opera. Perhaps the creators are trying to appeal to a wider audience...women.



It has been way to much of a soap opera from the start. I cannot watch the show without geting the urge to throw up. The story is so scattered and the characters so bad the way the act is completely not how anyone would act in the situations they are in. Jesus alot of the characters are supposed to be highly trained military personal but they act like 5 year old in their interaction with each other. I have to say that the original even with all of its flaws is still far better than the new BSG. It is almost as bad as the made for tv scifi/horor movies they keep insisting to make. Arrg only reason to goto the scifi is for Stargate and sometimes Eureka.

[Wade]

I agree with every thing that Combat Wombat just stated.

[MasterChiToes]

Yeah... the original BSG was a larger than life heroic fantasy, while the new BSG not only seems mired in dysfunctionality, it goes as far as wallowing in that dysfunctionality as that is the only thing that drives the plot.

[Wade]

MasterChiToes said:
Yeah... the original BSG was a larger than life heroic fantasy, while the new BSG not only seems mired in dysfunctionality, it goes as far as wallowing in that dysfunctionality as that is the only thing that drives the plot.



BRAVO!

[Black_Knyght]

I agree with <font color="red">AT</font> - the new season starts off with a total bust !!!

Lee has no backbone, but plenty of middle. Adama has become a hippie who suudenly decides to get a backbone. Baltar's still the biggest waste of humanity ever, and the "Resistance" pretty much consists of a lot of talk and a few grief-stricken suicide bombers they take credit for.

And Kara is a joke. One minute she's tough as nails, the next she's holding hands with a Cylon who took her ovary in the first place. There's a ton of holes that just make no sense, and don't seem to be worth the writers or anybody else's efforts to fix.

I really thought they were heaeded somewhere cutting edge with this series, but now it's just Bagdad vs. the Bots.

The one and only clever piece in all of this was that the Organic Cylons limited the programming of the mechanical Cylons, to prevent them from becoming self-aware and realizing what a crap situation they had, yet again.

[Randallw]

looks to me like one them has.

[Ragnarok-X]

Anyone know of torrent link or something ?

[AngleWyrm]

Found some magnet links:

These two are correct:

3x01 - Occupation (magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:64H4SBQMRIAX6KJVKTK2AGCVW XJA4YT6.IGRS3AZQWRNP3TTTGJFEEVEIAKBFNT6ZD7UHQ2Y&amp;dn =Battlestar%20Galactica%20s03e01%20Occupation%20Ws %20Dsr%20Xvid-Omicron.avi)
3x02 - Precipice (magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:2POESDUCSGWLVFXJWSO2UNDAF XC7PQ3M.LIECZMO6RNONHHAV4DXMKKWJG5CC5IHPJW57WSA&amp;dn =Battlestar.Galactica.S03E02.Occupation.WS.DSR.Xvi D-OMiCRON.avi)

[Ragnarok-X]

Have you tested those ? I downloaded S03E01 today and it turned out to be hentai .p

[AngleWyrm]

You pays your nickle, you takes your chances.

Edit Added season three

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3x01 - Occupation (magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:64H4SBQMRIAX6KJVKTK2AGCVW XJA4YT6.IGRS3AZQWRNP3TTTGJFEEVEIAKBFNT6ZD7UHQ2Y&amp;dn =Battlestar%20Galactica%20s03e01%20Occupation%20Ws %20Dsr%20Xvid-Omicron.avi)
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3x05 - Collaborators (magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:RP6BXEHCUBIKVFPMAS24ZBFSZ GBNQEIA.W2GKKMBNWINTNWF5TFC4C2PWD4FJRQ6VIWCDTII&amp;dn =Battlestar_Galactica_2003_-_3x05_-_Collaborators.english.CRiMSON.DSR.%5Bwww.tvu.org. ru%5D.avi)
3x06 - Torn (magnet:?xt=urn:bitprint:YAWAST7SXR4RIR5LQGW6QRL7X PYVFIII.HAQ6SQRKZFNAUGEFPKR2YRAHDFDXKF6WC3HZ7WY&amp;dn =Battlestar%20Galactica%202003%20-%203x06%20-%20Torn%20(Part%201)%20English%20Orenji%20Dsr.avi)
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[Ragnarok-X]

I already have all of those. Just was pissed b/c of the episode which turned out to be hentai :p

[Caduceus]

The show creators are mirroring things in our world, which is what sci-fi is supposed to do, comment and spin things in a different way than we've seen before. Suddenly the "good guys" are suicide bombers? It is supposed to turn things around. The producers have stated in the past that their target audience is more Lost/NipTuck/The Shield than Stargate/Atlantis/Star Trek.

[MasterChiToes]

Black_Knyght said:
The one and only clever piece in all of this was that the Organic Cylons limited the programming of the mechanical Cylons, to prevent them from becoming self-aware and realizing what a crap situation they had, yet again.



Actually that is a good point... IF one of more of the tin cans is siding with the oppressed humans against the organic cylons (re: the unseen ending of the premiere, foreshadowed by the 'self aware' dialog AND the tin can turning to look at the conflicted-suffering human cop outside the cylon building) THEN something interesting might be developing.

[geoschmo]

On balance I still like the show. It's much better then most other junk on TV. The current plot arc does seem a bit clunky, but they seem to be rushing through it awfully fast. Skipping big chunks of time, as was mentioned in other posts. I'd be suprised if we aren't all back on the ships and on the way back to earth after a couple more episodes.

My one big gripe from the premiere...

******SPOLIER ALERT*******



... is how they make it look at the end of the episode how Rosalin is killed in the masacre, but then moments later sci-fi channel shows previews for next week where Rosalin is talking and is decidedly not dead. Hello, does anyone in marketing actually watch the show? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I like the bit about Starbuck though. They are really screwing with her mind badly. It's going to be interesting to see the crap she goes though to get back to the Cylon-butt kicking warrior we know and love. Facinating character development.

[AngleWyrm]

Some of it was well done; like Kira expressing a violent lunatic.
And that part where Leoben said "Either way, you'll be spending the night with me." That totally rocked!

Liked their portrayal of how, ultimately, the guy at the top is just one guy.

Hated how they hastily contrived some violent oppression out of the Cylons, who in the last episode were coming with Love--their god. Way too much stinky plot device, just to portray Iraq, instead of Cylons.

P.S.: Sex and Violence! Not just violence. Not just sex.

[Wade]

I think that the Mechanicals are turning against the Organics.

I think that the Mechanicals that appear to execute the Humans actually will shoot the Organics.

I think that Kira is also playing an elaborate game of deception to gain the Organics' trust in order to be let outside to accomplish some thing.

I think that, ultimately, the Organic siding with the humans(forgot her name) will still be a Cylon that turns on the Humans again.

I agree with geoschmo in that Rosalin should not of been portrayed in the preview of next weeks episode. That must be an unintentional and ridiculous spoiler.

-Wade

[Possum]

LOL, proud to say I have never watched the new show at all.

I still think of Lorne Green when I hear BSG http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AMF]

I began watching BSG with a very sceptical eye, having come to the conclusion years ago that Sci-fi was no longer a viable form of literature but merely popcorn. I was a hesitant watcher, but from the first moment, I had beenmesmerized. BSG is GREAT TV. It makes one think, question, look around, and it sticks with you far after the show is over. It makes you wonder about all the important things and obsess about the unimportant and everything in between. It is stunning TV. And I hate TV.

Now, having just seen the first episode of the third season, I can honestly say that, in my 38 years of existence, it is the best sci-fi I have ever seen.

I mean, if you want good v evil, robots v humans, black v white, then go watch star wars or star trek or something like that. But BSG is about humans, in all our foibles and bs dealing with trauma and death and life and all that entails...and it does it all in a futuristic environment.

It is perfect. I can't off the top of my head think of a way to make it better.

[AMF]

Wade said:
I agree with geoschmo in that Rosalin should not of been portrayed in the preview of next weeks episode. That must be an unintentional and ridiculous spoiler.



I'm sorry, I've only just now seen the episode, and only just once, but I don't recall seeing roslin in the graduation ceremony at all. There was a group of humanoid-cylons, and all the graduates, but neither Baltar nor Roslin were there....or did I miss something entirely? I mean, Roslin is back at the school in the scene just prior wasn't she...?

[AMF]

And, any show that can make people, today, now, in our world, hope for a suicide bomber to complete his mission, come on, that's some GOOD writing.

[Ludd]

Possum said:
LOL, proud to say I have never watched the new show at all.

I still think of Lorne Green when I hear BSG http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I still think of Lorne Green in Bonanza. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Space Cowboy?

[MasterChiToes]

AMF said:
It is perfect. I can't off the top of my head think of a way to make it better.


Weekly 30 minute interludes of Boomers bathing each other? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit!" - Han Solo

[Ludd]

AMF said:


It is perfect. I can't off the top of my head think of a way to make it better.



Have all the women naked? In a non sexist way, of course.

[Caduceus]

AMF said:

Wade said:
I agree with geoschmo in that Rosalin should not of been portrayed in the preview of next weeks episode. That must be an unintentional and ridiculous spoiler.



I'm sorry, I've only just now seen the episode, and only just once, but I don't recall seeing roslin in the graduation ceremony at all. There was a group of humanoid-cylons, and all the graduates, but neither Baltar nor Roslin were there....or did I miss something entirely? I mean, Roslin is back at the school in the scene just prior wasn't she...?



After the end of the show there was a "this season on Battlestar Galactica" montage of events from the upcoming episodes. It wasn't a teaser for next week, per se, just for the show for the next few weeks.

[Tim_Ward]

MasterChiToes said:
Actually that is a good point... IF one of more of the tin cans is siding with the oppressed humans against the organic cylons (re: the unseen ending of the premiere, foreshadowed by the 'self aware' dialog AND the tin can turning to look at the conflicted-suffering human cop outside the cylon building) THEN something interesting might be developing.



God, no. That would awful, contrived rubbish.

Anyway, the modern cylon centurions, unlike the first cylons which were made by the colonials, are not sentient. Thus, they cannot rebel. That was the point of Adamas line. This'd be like the US military drones rebelling.

The "look" the cylon gave Duck outside the police building was waving him in. He wasn't "conflicted", he was about to blow himself up in a room full of 200 people. If we're thinking of the same incident, that is.


The story is so scattered and the characters so bad the way the act is completely not how anyone would act in the situations they are in.



I think that's exactly how people would act in that situation. Coped up in ships not designed for long term habitation... constantly on the run... constant danger of death, no hope of any respite... it's bound to bring out the worst in people.


Jesus alot of the characters are supposed to be highly trained military personal but they act like 5 year old in their interaction with each other.



Who said anything about highly trained? :p The Galatica was an old ship, about to be decommissioned and it's pretty clear from the mini-series and from the earlier parts of season one that these are definately not "highly trained" military people, and that discipline had gone to pot etc etc.

[MasterChiToes]

Tim_Ward said:

MasterChiToes said:
Actually that is a good point... IF one of more of the tin cans is siding with the oppressed humans against the organic cylons (re: the unseen ending of the premiere, foreshadowed by the 'self aware' dialog AND the tin can turning to look at the conflicted-suffering human cop outside the cylon building) THEN something interesting might be developing.



God, no. That would awful, contrived rubbish.

Anyway, the modern cylon centurions, unlike the first cylons which were made by the colonials, are not sentient. Thus, they cannot rebel. That was the point of Adamas line. This'd be like the US military drones rebelling.

The "look" the cylon gave Duck outside the police building was waving him in. He wasn't "conflicted", he was about to blow himself up in a room full of 200 people. If we're thinking of the same incident, that is.



The sentient dialog was from the organic cylons stating that they made the tin cans unable to distinguish the organic cylons apart... to discourage sentience or something. That would leave the door open for the tin cans being able to distinguish the humans apart, which could in turn result in the problem the organic cylons were trying to avoid.

I'd have to rewatch the 'look' but the cylon's action seemed peculiar to me when it happened... looked more like one of the darth vader looks before he killed the emperor, than a 'you just got caught you guilty human' look.

[Atrocities]

I hope they can pull the show out of the pit its in and make something memerable happen. Otherwise I cannot see the show continueing past this season. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Damn shame too, as most of season two was just fricking great sci-fi.

[Tim_Ward]

. Otherwise I cannot see the show continueing past this season.



Doubt that. Almost all the reaction I've seen to the new season has been overwhelmingly postively. This is the only forum I've seen where the reaction has been mostly negative.

[MasterChiToes]

Tim_Ward said:
This is the only forum I've seen where the reaction has been mostly negative.


Well from a strictly turn based strategy point of view, the humans aren't managing their game very well. Heck, just one colony with no space yards nor research facilities... no wonder the AI is kicking their butts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Tim_Ward]

They were never that hot in the first place. Only 12 colonies? Rubbish!

[AngleWyrm]

And morale seems to be a problem too -- unrest and rioting on the newly conquered New Caprica. Recruiting more troops didn't seem to improve colony happiness and/or obedience.

Looks like they may be headed for revolution.

[Tim_Ward]

Somehow missed this:


MasterChiToes said:
The sentient dialog was from the organic cylons stating that they made the tin cans unable to distinguish the organic cylons apart... to discourage sentience or something. That would leave the door open for the tin cans being able to distinguish the humans apart, which could in turn result in the problem the organic cylons were trying to avoid.



Um, maybe you're right about that. Ron Moore says in the podcast for the episode where the cylons board galatica that they're not sentient, that they're basically little more than better ammunition.

The transcript is on the battlestar wiki, but that's down at the moment.


I'd have to rewatch the 'look' but the cylon's action seemed peculiar to me when it happened... looked more like one of the darth vader looks before he killed the emperor, than a 'you just got caught you guilty human' look.



I'm not really sure how either a centurion or darth vader could give anyone a "look" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[geoschmo]

AMF said:
I'm sorry, I've only just now seen the episode, and only just once, but I don't recall seeing roslin in the graduation ceremony at all. There was a group of humanoid-cylons, and all the graduates, but neither Baltar nor Roslin were there....or did I miss something entirely? I mean, Roslin is back at the school in the scene just prior wasn't she...?



Before I answer, was the season premier in your location a two hour episode, or just one hour? If it was only one hour then don't read the rest of this...

MORE SPOILERS




I wasn't talking about the police academy bombing. At the end of the second hour the Cylons decide to get tougher and cart off a bunch of humans to the outside of town and line them up apparently for a mass execution. The show ends without actually showing the people getting blown away, but you hear the gunfire and the inference is obvious that Roslin, Zarek and a bunch of others are done for.

My own guess is that the human police recruits have a last second crisis of concience and decide to fight it out, and that's the gunfire we hear. But we won't really know until next week. But the previews make it clear at least that Roslin lives.

[geoschmo]

Tim_Ward said:
Doubt that. Almost all the reaction I've seen to the new season has been overwhelmingly postively. This is the only forum I've seen where the reaction has been mostly negative.


Oh, I wouldn't say this forum is mostly negative. That's just how AT is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif You got to love him, but I can't recall off the top of my head hearing him express an positive opinion about much that has hit the airwaves in the last couple decades. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Atrocities]

If being honest about what you think is being negative, well then I guess I am negative. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I like the show, however I just don't like the sudden shift that the series took and the lack luster way in which they transitioned from the old story line to the new one. I felt that could have been done a hell of a lot better than the rushed haphazard way it was done.

Most of what I have read on other forums supports my POV. While people like the show, there is a strong sense of confusion about the direction the plot has taken. BSG is fundamentally about human survival in the face of horrifying odds. To that end they have an auidance that will watch. But BSG is more than survival, its about the hope of humanity and the exploration of survival. Remember life here began out there, and it was those words that defined the journey for which BSG embarked upon. I hope, I sincerely do, that the producers of BSG haven't forgotten that. They have 18 more episodes to take the show where its going. I, for good or bad, hope to be along for the ride. I am sorry if that is a negative view, but its an honest one.

[Xrati]

They are on a quest to find Earth. The sooner they get back to that quest, the better the show should become.

[mrscrogg]

I think you have to let the story line develop - you can't blow your load in the first 10 minutes ! You see the benelovent cylons become the enslaving monsters they are , the growth of the next step in cylon evelution in Sharron the laskity of the military even before they were attacked by the cylons , the vicious side of Tigh , all new stuff . let it work

[Captain Kwok]

I think they need to introduce more flying motorcycles into the current series - and perhaps kids with extraordinary strengths and abilities.

[Caduceus]

MasterChiToes said:
Well from a strictly turn based strategy point of view, the humans aren't managing their game very well. Heck, just one colony with no space yards nor research facilities... no wonder the AI is kicking their butts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



Congrats on scoring the quote of the week, MasterChiToes.

This harkens back to my wife reading a comment on the Veronica Mars show where a character came out of a coma and the reader stated their first thought was "She's a Cylon."

[Wade]

geoschmo said:

My own guess is that the human police recruits have a last second crisis of concience and decide to fight it out, and that's the gunfire we hear. But we won't really know until next week. But the previews make it clear at least that Roslin lives.



I think that the Mechanicals that appear to execute the Humans actually will shoot the Organics.

[Hugh Manatee]

Atrocities said:
If being honest about what you think is being negative, well then I guess I am negative. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I like the show, however I just don't like the sudden shift that the series took and the lack luster way in which they transitioned from the old story line to the new one. I felt that could have been done a hell of a lot better than the rushed haphazard way it was done.

Most of what I have read on other forums supports my POV. While people like the show, there is a strong sense of confusion about the direction the plot has taken. BSG is fundamentally about human survival in the face of horrifying odds. To that end they have an auidance that will watch. But BSG is more than survival, its about the hope of humanity and the exploration of survival. Remember life here began out there, and it was those words that defined the journey for which BSG embarked upon. I hope, I sincerely do, that the producers of BSG haven't forgotten that. They have 18 more episodes to take the show where its going. I, for good or bad, hope to be along for the ride. I am sorry if that is a negative view, but its an honest one.



Spoilers

I don't think it was "rushed" per say, just summarized. I think it would have been boring to watch the stuff between the elextion and explosion to the "present". If they didn't do this story line shift now, A: Baltar would still be a "good guy" to the fleet. He's a villan, he needs to be put in a scenario where he can eff up soooo bad in in such public that he will be an even biger pariah then in the first series. He'll become the collaborator who everyone openly hates who made a genuine "Folly", a 40 years in the desert interuption on their quest for earth so to speak and gives the series more to do then just hop from planet to planet encountering viking rebels and cylon base of the week. Remember, the closer they actually get to earth, the more the origanal sucked, the fewer options the writers then had, I say let them take this time to tell some interesting war stories.

B: They could just keep wandering in space finding sub colonies of the original 12 who were viking helmets or playing that pyrimid game for grain seed and finding all white demi god aliens in space and such, finding artifacts that lead them along to earth, but thats what got boring and stupid about the original, and voyager for that matter, it's like Gilligan's Island in space you can only pull so much cheesey "sci-fi" gimmicky crap and "villan of the day/week/season" before it gets old. You need to keep the characters evolving(even if they shift from good to evil and back again) and the story fresh and interesting.

C: In this situation, totally dominated by the cylons, the human simpathizing models getting capped for expressing their beliefs, humans turning on humans putting their hope in the lies of the machines, this sets up a really dark, dour pitch black night which actually challenges the viewing audience to find hope where you can get it, to hang in there wit these characters instead of just handing you the happy ending like a post masage BJ. Good boomer is on the planet, cally got away from the death squad, adamma is comming to the rescue, lee is taking the fleet to search for earth, baltar is falling apart, and we are rooting for the resistance terrorist cell. It's like lima beans, it's good, but not easy to like.

The only thing I can't really get my head around is what the cylons are up to. It seems that the preacher models did a 180 from their last conversation in the brig, now advocating the annihilation where they once admitted the mistake. Why chase the Humans to the planet, occupy it and do what they are doing, even if it was the "good" #6's and boomers idea to go there to try and reintegrate somehow you'd think they would have had a better plan then occupation. I think it must be some sort of descision by whatever the commanding cylon is, a compromise between going there to annihillate them and the reintegration. We need to see more of them then just bullying Baltar.

Edit: also I'm notn sure I see all these plotholes people are discussing, Kara has been separated from her lover, subjected to some sort of forced corting by a man she's murdered 6 times, and now they reveal a halfie child, she's getting stolkholmes, even the toughest nut can crack under pressure like that. Boomer has always had a soft spot for the humans, why wouldn't "good" boomer be able to patch things up with adama in the space of a year(remember the cylons stopped pursuing for that time, this ability to forgive and forget shows adama's character's strength). Lee is command staff now instead of a fighter pilot, he doesn't need to be in peak physical condition, and they basically said point blank, he, and the fleet, got soft. Holes covered.

[AMF]

geoschmo said:
Before I answer, was the season premier in your location a two hour episode, or just one hour? If it was only one hour then don't read the rest of this...




Ah hah! I only got a one hour show. I'll look for the next hour. And yes, I didn't read your spoilers. yay!

[Ragnarok-X]

Does anyone know the two eps are called ? "Occupation" and ?

[Atrocities]

I have one question.

If the cylons are now imortal, ie they are killed they simply download to a new body and go on, then what happesn to a cylon human hybrid child if it dies or is killed? Does it download to a new body? What body would it download too?

[Atrocities]

You know what the current story line reminds me of? How the US wiped out the american indians in the mid to late 1800's. They numbered in the millions and we all but exterminated them. We forced them from their lands, made them nomadic tribes, and when they finally settled down we swooped in and made them surrender. Eventually the call for blood was lessoned to the desire to "cage" what few of them remained.

We did this not because we were evil, but because we believed that God wanted us to win in order to build a nation. God guided our leaders of the time just as much as ambition and greed had. Perhaps this story line, albeit somewhat convaluted and too anchored in current events for my tastes, might in some way pay off for the overall story line of the series. Then again it could just be a bad idea in which the writers have locked themselves into and cannot seem to find a clever way out of.

It reminds me of the old Buck Rogers series, the one Glen Larson produced. It was on the air for a year, then off then it came back again but it wasn't the same. In stead of being earth based they change the story line so that they were now out in a space ship looking for the lost tribes of humanity or something. IT failed too last a full season.

Before that we had BSG 1978 and then two years later BSG 1980. Both were BSG but the second series just didn't have it.

In both of these examples the writers tried to save the series by changing what the series was about. Imagine if Lucas did that... oh wait he did. Bad example.

What I am trying to say is, they had a solid premis for a series and then they changed it. Why they changed it I don't know. But they did change it and now its not the same. I would say that I want them to go back too their roots but I know that won't happen. I am sure that in a few dozen episodes things will turn out fine and we will all be amazed by how well they pulled it off, but in the intrum, I am finding the journey a bit too dry and dusty to see the path clearly.

[AngleWyrm]

Transcript of the scene on colonial one, where the cylons are discussing why they are there:

Preacher: "Let's review why we're here, shall we? We're supposed to bring the word of 'god' to the people, right? To save humanity from damnation, by bringing the love of 'god' to these poor [unitelligible] people."
Six: "We're here because the majority of the Cylon felt that the slaughter of mankind had been a mistake."
Boomer: "We're here to find a new way to live in peace, as god wants us to live."
Preacher: "And it's been a fun ride so far, but I want to clarify our objectives. If we're bringing the word of god, then it follows that we should employ any means necessary to do so -- any means. Yes. Fear is a key article of faith, as I understand it, so perhaps it's time to instill a little more fear into the people's hearts and minds."

[Atrocities]

Sounds hauntingly familar doesn't it?

[Black_Knyght]

Randallw said:
looks to me like one them has.




Now THAT was very clever.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Black_Knyght]

Captain Kwok said:
I think they need to introduce more flying motorcycles into the current series - and perhaps kids with extraordinary strengths and abilities.



Kwok, I may just have to hurt, no... seriously MAIM, you for that comment... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Tim_Ward]

What I am trying to say is, they had a solid premis for a series and then they changed it. Why they changed it I don't know. But they did change it and now its not the same. I would say that I want them to go back too their roots but I know that won't happen.



Spoilers about the direction of the series.
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The New Caprica arc only last five or so episodes, then it's back to the hunt for earth.

The next episode is called "Exodus Part 1".

END SPOILERS.

I suppose the question you have to ask yourself is, if this was not called battlestar galactica but a spin off series called "Resistence" or something, would you still sit down, watch and enjoy it? If the answer is "no", then fair enough. If the answer is yes, then does it matter? Good television is good television as far as I'm concerned.


"Occupation" and ?



Precipice

[VanderVecken]

What "Highly Trained military force? The Galactica was gonna be decommissioned at the start of the show. The ship had a FEW OLD vets (many rusty as hell), who's usefulness to society had made the military a pariah. Remember the Twelve Colonies, were for the most-pat a bunch of Peace-nics. Imaginge the cut-backs the Military had to endure, since the previous Cylon war had ended. The ship was not even full. It had a small core of OLD vets and a bunch of kids transfered on in the last year or two so that it could be Decommissioned with style. "Who needs warships, we're not at war", was the philosophy of the day ... Till the mushroom clouds came.

And in least that respect ... If you look closely, both the original and this version, both shared the same message. "The military is not god, but don't let it wither and die when times are good(and peaceful), because things can change fast.

P.S. - can anyone imagine what Iraq II war would have been like if U.S. had its 1960's sized Military instead if its small one it had since the end of the 1980's ??? (of course, the US economy would have collapsed like the USSR did if it had attempted to maintain its 'Cold War' sized military.)

Added note - Although not entirely pleased with the Rockball story arc, I still think it's one of the better shows currently on TV, Maybe others would prefer 'DEAL or no DEAL', or yet another LA Law clone, (And if you do, Hooray for you, since TV is for the most part just the modern day equivelent of roman Gladitorial Games - "Bread and Circuses". Thats another O.T. thread, eh ?) The only problem of this current story arc with it's Iraq war parallels is that the audience who watches this show, for the most part, is intelligent enough to have already understood that there are more than just the GOOD-Guys side in the war. 'NBG' shows what it's like to be thrust into the situation of being on the other side. And maybe ask the question, 'what makes a person believe that being a Suicide bomber is a viable and acceptable thing. Especially when INNOCENTS will die as collateral damage. Unfortunately, the people who need to see and possibly understand this, usually watch much easier TV to digest for the most part.

[AMF]

Hear hear.

[Renegade 13]

I, for one, fail to see any inconsistency in the way the plot is going. Everything that has been done thus far is a logical extension of what came before. People had been cooped up on those ships for a long time, it was natural for them to want a place to settle down, whether or not that place was Earth. They didn't care, they just wanted solid ground beneath them, and so the writers wrote in a smallish storyline to go with the settling down and then the eventual relocation back up to the ships.

To me, it makes a lot more sense for people to want off the ships after a year or so of being stuffed in like sardines, than to be perfectly happy to stay on the ships, regardless of which choice would make more sense when it comes to the survival of humanity.

[Atrocities]

He is right about one thing for sure. It certainly is better than most shows even if its not what we expect, its a hell of a lot better than Deal No Deal. Good point. I shall shut the hell up now and enjoy it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (Until next time that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)

[Randallw]

What about when "Caprica" starts. It sopunds to me like a Dynasty clone.

[Azselendor]

Caprica is still in pre-production as far as I know, but I know they hired some experienced soap writers back in june according to some of the news sites I visit.

I full expect Caprica's big season finale to be "Who Shot Adama!"

BSG looks like it'll have a really kick-*** mid season finale from the spoilers.

[Randallw]

Hey you know what I was saying about only watching Star Wars or BSG for the battles. Look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX0DKE3oqw


oh and on another related note

http://www.battlestargalacticasite.com/2006/10/bsg_to_nbc_can_it_survive.php

[Black_Knyght]

Randallw said:
Hey you know what I was saying about only watching Star Wars or BSG for the battles. Look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX0DKE3oqw


oh and on another related note

http://www.battlestargalacticasite.com/2006/10/bsg_to_nbc_can_it_survive.php




This video is AWESOME !!! Could be a page right out of some Space Empires battle, especially in a game where you're using both of <font color="red">AT</font>'s associated shipsets !!!

Battlestar Galactica vs. Star Wars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX0DKE3oqw)

[Azselendor]

Atrocities said:
I finally figured out what movie they used to get the human cylon concept from. Granted they had it from the BSG 1980, but they didn't have it nailed down until they ripped off Screamers.

If you haven't seen Screamers, rent it. Its not a bad movie. I liked it for many reason, one being that it seemed like only one small chapter in a much larger story.



But Screamers Ripped off Pod People

[Atrocities]

That was a very cool video. However I do think that the battlestars would have faired far better agaisnt SD than they did.

[Caduceus]

Season opener viewers for BSG season 3 down from season 2:
Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061010/tv_nm/battlestar_dc;_ylt=AoobkOcryUdoKXVijlGLZLJxFb8C;_y lu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-)

[Atrocities]

I finally figured out what movie they used to get the human cylon concept from. Granted they had it from the BSG 1980, but they didn't have it nailed down until they ripped off Screamers.

If you haven't seen Screamers, rent it. Its not a bad movie. I liked it for many reason, one being that it seemed like only one small chapter in a much larger story.

[Randallw]

Glad to see my find is popular.

I do have one problem with it. A viper is flying down a trench (most probably the one that runs along the side of a SD) the pilot does the whole inertia thing and turns around while continuing forward so he can shoot at the TIE behind him. Hello mr colonial pilot, you are now moving down a trench backwards. A trench I must point out that has turrets and stuff sticking out. That whole turning trick works in space but your career will be short if you try it inside soemthing.

[Caduceus]

I think they were just high-lighting the fact that the vipers can flip around and do that (which most space one-man fighters should be able to do, I suppose).

[Azselendor]

I'm with Atrocities, I think the new Battlestars from RDM's series would have fared significantly better against star wars ISD's and Vipers would have been superior to the TIE's as well (TIE's have to move like airplanes in space, vipers move like they are in space while in space)

Original Series Battlestars, I think were depicted fairly accurate, I don't recall any of the original series battlestars being in direct ship-to-ship combat and faring well.

[gregebowman]

This is the first chance I've had to get on teh computer since Friday, so let me put my 2 cents in. As with most of the episodes, I'm wondering if I'm too tired to make sense of what's going on, even if it is coming on an hour earlier. I know scriptwriters are taking cues from modern events, but I can't believe that with teh last contigent of known humans alive, that Tighe (and Adama and Roslin) would condone suicide bombing. And what's the point? Everyone knows that the human cylons can clone themselves and their memories, and I'm sure it doesn't costs too much to put out another toaster or two. What the humans should be doing is to blow up the factories and the cloning facilities. That way, teh cylons would feel the pinch as their numbers go down.

As far as Kira, i can't believe it took all this time from when she was in the cylon hospital in Caprica to let us know that one of her ovaries was taken out and used to reproduce a child (at least, if you can believe the cylon). I always wondered what they did to her, but I never heard anything mentioned in the show. You'd think she would have at least visited that cranky ole doctor to see what she went through.

As far as Sharon on the Galactica, I don't see a problem with Adama giving her her freedom and a mission. She has proven to be reliable, and as far as we can tell, was never programmed to do anything other than love Helo and have his baby.

What gets me is Baltar and #6. I was wondering why he was having hallucations about her, and then her having hallucinations about him. It finally occurred to me a few days ago that he might be a cylon; maybe an unknown 13th prototype as all of the other cylons treat him as a human. I'll have to see how this story develops.

Hopefully, the cylon occupation won't last too long, and the humans will go back into space and eventually find earth. maybe they'll even incorporate some of Richard Hatch's ideas for the grand finale. I heard it was pretty good.

[Joachim]

The season opener has certainly created a vast array of interesting story arcs. I look forward to seeing how they resolve so many of the apparent paradoxes. I suspect that we will get a lot of flash back episodes to explain all the things we have missed (Tie's eye, pudgy Lee,)

I thought it was fairly clear what they had taken from Kira when they showed her tummy scar.

And, i always thought Baltar was a cylon... (think how much sense it makes - how did he survive the nuking on Caprica?)

[Atrocities]

ep 3 wasn't bad at all. in fact it was pretty damn good.

[AngleWyrm]

How many Cylon models do we know about?

3). D'Anna Biers - Reporter
5). Arron Doral - Leader
6). Six - Gina, Godfrey, Shelley
8). Sharron - Boomer
*). Leoben - The one that likes Starbuck
*). Simon - The doctor from "The Farm"
*). Brother Cavil - Priest

Cylon models might also include the Toasters, the Cylon Raider, Cylon Heavy Raider and Cylon Base ship. Don't know about the Resurrection ship, but that would be twelve.

[Hugh Manatee]

what about the one that starbuck beat the crap out of in the first season?

[Atrocities]

Hugh Manatee said:
what about the one that starbuck beat the crap out of in the first season?



*). Leoben - The one that likes Starbuck

[Caduceus]

I re-watched "The Farm" last night from season two - Simon talks about taking samples of Kara's ovary with Six at the nurses' station.

Additionally - she had a LLQ abdominal GSW - a great location to go after an ovary, but they "went back in to get some bleeding" a few days after she was in the hospital.

[MasterChiToes]

What is with Boomer's baby? They were on New Caprica for a year before the Cylons arrived, and over four months more with the Cylons, and Boomer's baby is still a newborn... while Starbuck's younger baby is already a toddler.

[Azselendor]

I think Kacey is a cylon

[AngleWyrm]

Maybe she'll have a really long life span

[MasterChiToes]

Azselendor said:
I think Kacey is a cylon



I think everyone is a Cylon... Kobol was destroyed by the original Cylons who became the "humans" of the 12 colonies, who in turn recreated Cylons who destroyed them, who will in turn be destroyed by the tin cans.

An endless cycle of history repeating itself...

[Tim_Ward]

Everyone is a Cylon EXCEPT Balter.

[Atrocities]

Well we know that there is a Cylon God now and that IT does talk to cylons in their sleep.

We also know that cylons are starting to have problems downloading as its causing them pain.

Theory's abound as to who are cyclons and such. I can't help but miss the metal crome domes war on humanity over these human cylong sethenoranics. Hell one of these day the crome heads are going to turn on them, even though they are programed not too.

And we have yet to hear a crome dome talk... I miss the "by your command."

In some ways the original show was more appealing. However it was a strait shooter, Baltar betrayed humanity openenly and the cylons were relentless suicided machines.

The new BSG is about character arcs and depth of the story telling. Sure Baltar is bad, but he was duped into betrying humanity and is now being forced to sign orders by his captors. He is no more evil than Ty's wife.

Evil in BSG now is a very solid shade of grey.

[AngleWyrm]

Ellen Tigh should be put up against the wall and shot for treason, by Saul Tigh.

Saul, get a new girlfriend.

EDIT: uh oh...

[Atrocities]

AngleWyrm said:
Ellen Tigh should be put up against the wall and shot for treason, by Saul Tigh.

Saul, get a new girlfriend.

EDIT: uh oh...



I in good concence cannot bring myself to agree with you or that far right wing view. I think what she did is indicitive of her mental condition and overall state of mind. It wasn't her fault that she "consorted" with the "legal" occupational forces to try and capture and or kill the murdering blood thirsty memebers of the insurgence.

What Tigh's wife did was not really her fault. She has a mental issue that makes her easily manipulated by men in power. She is a victim of her own illness and therefore is not responsible for her own actions. She is driven to her acts, acts that can be viewed by some as traitorus or ****ty, not because she is an evil women, but because she is a very sick women trying to survive extrodanryly difficult times. If anything the illegal insurgents should embrace her and try to help heal her rather than kill her. Afterall she was only in all honesty working for the lagitimate government of the colonial people. They did surrender to the cylons afterall and agreed to accept their help by accepting their help.

No Tigh's wife is not to blame here, she is inocent and deserves our love not our disdain. Let us not forget that the colonial population surrendered to the Cylon forces and were left to rot there by the cowering Adama.

If anything, the insurgents should line that cut and run cowered Adama and all those who followed his orders against the wall and shoot them!

Furthermore the insurgents are causing the situation on the planet by killing the inocent cylons who are there only to try and help them find God. While God has no place in government, belief in him does serve a purpose, pacification. I mean a happy population is a productive one.

The cylons are the government now and the people of new Caprica are endebted to them for coming along and saving them from a life of hardship and destitution. The cylons are the hero's in this story, not the murding SOB's of the insurgency!

[AngleWyrm]

Nicely played.

People should be held accountable for their own actions.
That's what Admiral Kane enforced on her ship, and it ran with military precision.

[Santiago]

I find the show edgy. Who do you trust? Hardly anyone. Who you trust today may be tomorrow's enemy. Even the cylons are starting to distrust each other. Everyone seems to have their own agenda.

[Atrocities]

but she's dead now.

[Atrocities]

i think that when the writers destroy the pegasus, and they will, it will lesson the show and be seen as a ratings cliff hanger. a gimic to make drama. i don't want the ship destroyed. do something orriginal instead and destry the galactica.

[Santiago]

Battlestar Pegasus doesn't sound the same

[AngleWyrm]

Too bad the Battlestar Ernie didn't survive the initial Cylon attack.
They had the new Protecter class unmanned Pocket fighters...

[Atrocities]

the BSG R, Lee Ernie

one tough little ship

[Azselendor]

RDM has maintained that destroying the pegasus will only happen if it serves a purpose, and not for shock value and he plans to keep Pegasus around for a long time.

Also, everyone that thinks Pegasus will be destroyed because of the original series should remember that Glen Larson had pitched Pegasus' return in the second season (infiltrated with humanoid cylons no less) and then, after the cancellation of 1980, proposed a new series based around Pegasus' escape and search for Galactica &amp; Earth

So I think the Best will survive and what we saw in the prview was a freighter making a suicide run

[Atrocities]

I just hope that at some point they opt for a story arc that takes them to a point where they find other colonial ships like the battle barge (Destroyers) or (Battleships) and gives the fleet some real teeth. At least one or two more ships should have statistically been able to escape. Perhaps another fleet of civy ships lead by a smaller escort or destroyer could be descovered. There are a few great story arcs that can be written to take advantage of "finding" other serviving humans.

[Azselendor]

I think they're far enough away from the colonies now that any chance of finding another ship will truly be exceptional. Pegasus was explained because she was hunting the basestars hunting galactica. Spoilers and RDM have repeated said that future finds like Pegasus will not happen.

Personally, I'd like a one-off, non-arc episode about another group of survivors returning to the nuclear annihilated colonies and finding something galactica's SAR team may have left behind in case other survivors show up telling them that there are more human survivors.

[Caduceus]

I would like to see other survivors as well, but you risk splintering the series. They got back to Anders to bring him into the fold last season, but I think they would be treading old ground.

**SPOILER**





I have seen that there will be a Cylon inside a base-star episode.

[Atrocities]

Azselendor said:
I think they're far enough away from the colonies now that any chance of finding another ship will truly be exceptional.





Ya, but new Capricca (sp) is a lot closer to the old colonies than you think. It was discovered during a rescue mission to Capricca. Also if a ship jumps, it can jump a great distance. So anything is possible.

[Hugh Manatee]

Wouldn't most of the leser ships have been owned by the cylon "1337 h4x0r 474x"? If the peggy barely made it with it's fleet just cause it's abattle star, and scrapped her fleet for weapons ammo and crew. aAny lesser ship would have been obliterated I bet.

[Suicide Junkie]

Would not lesser ships have had a correspondingly smaller attack force directed at them so that more ships could be used against the battlestars?

[geoschmo]

gregebowman said:
I know scriptwriters are taking cues from modern events, but I can't believe that with teh last contigent of known humans alive, that Tighe (and Adama and Roslin) would condone suicide bombing.

Roslin didn't condone it. She flipped out on Tighe over it. It's not been made clear that Adama even knows it was occuring, but I can't imagine he won't be pissed off. I'm rather looking forward to that discussion between Adama and Tighe actually. Tighe is the only one in authority condoning it, and he's pretty well screwed up from weeks of imprisonment and torture.

That's kind of the point I think, how otherwise "normal" people can be pushed to the breaking point and into doing things they wouldn't otherwise consider. Not to mention Tighe has always been a little close to the edge anyway. Look how fast he turned into a dictator when Adama was shot.

[Randallw]

geoschmo said:
Look how fast he turned into a dictator when Adama was shot.



You say that as if it was a bad thing. I wouldn't use the term dictator though, more establishing order.

[Atrocities]

Tighe is a ground force general,but bad fleet captain.

[Azselendor]

Atrocities said:

Azselendor said:
I think they're far enough away from the colonies now that any chance of finding another ship will truly be exceptional.





Ya, but new Capricca (sp) is a lot closer to the old colonies than you think. It was discovered during a rescue mission to Capricca. Also if a ship jumps, it can jump a great distance. So anything is possible.



Actually, New Caprica was reached with a cylon FTL drive. the show has established that the cylon's FTL drives have further range than Colonial systems. I seem to recall them saying that it would take galactica's SAR far more than 10 jumps to get to caprica.

I'm of the opinion that any further survivors and stuff being found be like how galactica finds a planet every 15 episodes or so right now. I think there are more survivors, but I really doubt RDM will feature them. We know atleast 15 other ships outside of Pegasus and the rag Tag Fleet survived (of course, Cain severely cut their chances by stealing their engines, supplies, fuel, crews... it goes on).

[Atrocities]

Actually, New Caprica was reached with a cylon FTL drive.



No actually it was reached by accident when a raptor got lost during one of the jumps toward Cappricca during the rescue mission.

[Azselendor]

Whoops, my bad. I ment to say Caprica was reached via a cylon FTL computer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Atrocities]

Yes, the toasters do have superior FTL. Lucky metal bastards.

[Atrocities]

SPOILER

I told you that they were going to blow up the Pegasus and well they just did. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Now all they have is that tunker Galatica and they lost the fighters, supplies, ordanences, figting capability, and spare parts from the Pegasus.

I knew they would get rid of her, and it just pisses me off. They got rid of her just to get rid of her for a wow factor.

[Azselendor]

I'm watching Exodus II right now. I'm not happy, but I'm also overjoyed at this episode. But really pissed about some parts.

[Atrocities]

I thought it was an excellent show. I really regret loosing the Beast but now the show is back to its roots, the one Battlestar and a truly rage tage fleet. Should get interesting now.

[VanderVecken]

I'm kinda lookin forward to an episode that gives us insight on just HOW the toasters FOUND religion. Did they derive it from human teachings or was it an original Idea, and from a Cylon or human (or other)?

It's about time to see a new Cylon model too. With Tigh's wife's death, we have an opportunity, but it would ruin one of the funniest jokes from the show. The one where, after the dinner in which Tigh's wife makes her first major appearance in the 'show', Someone says "what if she's not a Cylon/" and Adama replies "Then We're Doomed".

Still, seeing a New Bio-cylon model during this season should happen; whether we've seen it before or whether it's one we haven't been introduced to yet !

[Atrocities]

You know, VanderVecken, that is a good point. I would enjoy seeing an episode that addressed those questions as well.

[Azselendor]

if you watch the deleted scenes from kobol's last gleaming, the origins of the cylon faith is hinted at.

I'm still pissed they destroyed pegasus. I liked having two battlestars on the show.

[MasterChiToes]

Not quite spoilers...

Hopefully one of the remaining twelve Cylon models will be the Imperius Leader... with only one copy. If Arnold ceases to be governator after Nov 7th, then he could take the role! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
That would leave four undisclosed models, which presumably have been taken out of service, except for the models in the field.

I still think Boxy should have been a cylon, but they've pretty much forgotten about him. Tigh's wife, Apollo's wife and **'s mother... would be my choice for the remaining cylons.

[Atrocities]

It was a forgone conclusion that the Pegasus was upper cased f**ked from the word go. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I guess they wanted to get back too the roots of the show and while I hate too see the BEAST destroyed, I am kinda glad they moved back toward the original theme of the show. Besides it was like they really didn't know what to do with the BEAST as most of the story lines for the young gal seemed haphazard at best.

But still loosing her does suck. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[MasterChiToes]

Maybe the Pegasus will be resurrected by the Cylons. I would rebuild it "if" I was a Cylon.

And no, I don't think Baltar should be a Cylon, because that would negate his betrayal of humanity... but maybe the Cylons will give him the new Pegasus. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Atrocities]

I think the Aid to the President, Billy, was a cylon. I think he might be the one they use as the leader because they *****ed his character just to follow some crappy story line that droxizilla (sp) was hot for Lee. (I don't by the D'ee/Apollo romance at all. There is no chemistry there.)

[Uncle_Joe]

IIRC, Paul Campbell who played Billy on the show wanted to get out of it to pursue other acting options. I believe he just wanted a reduced role, but the writers felt it would be a stronger exit for him got get whacked.

[Azselendor]

billy should've exited during the election scandal, that would've been a far better exit for him, and allow him to return for cameos.

I personally think the exit of pegasus would've been not because of story concerns, but because of budget.

[Atrocities]

good point about the budget.

[geoschmo]

I don't see why it would be a budget thing. IIRC all the ships in the new series are CG, aren't they?

[Azselendor]

SciFi channel is infamous for their budget. Normally they only allocate 3/4ths the normal amount of money. RDM and Eick has both commented how scifi has been riding them on the budget since captain's hand and the declaining ratings.

Budget is a huge factor when you consider the average BSG episode runs 2-3 million dollars, and ones like pegasus, ressurection 1 &amp; 2 , captain's hand, lay down your burdens 1 &amp; 2, and Exodus can run as high as 3-5 million each because of all the CG shots and location shoots.

Budget was a huge factor in Enterprise (2-4 million per episode) being cancelled and Stargate SG1 (upwards of 3-5 million).

I should also point out the reason why all the corners are cut on paper and displays from BSG is an injoke about SciFi channel's insistance on cutting corners for the budget.

Pegasus's internal sets are also the sets of the Jupiter II from ost in Space http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[AngleWyrm]

So how much does a 30-second advertisement on BSG cost?
The last episode was 43 minutes out of 60,
which gives about 60-43 = 17 x2= 34 30-second spots.

[AgentZero]

That was some good Galactica! But does anyone know the name of that episode? Was it just Exodus Part 2, or...? I don't actually get Sci-Fi where I am, so I have to rely on downloading it the next day, but this week's download didn't have an episode title for some reason.

[MasterChiToes]

Yeah, it ws called Exodus P2.

[AgentZero]

How strikingly original.

[Azselendor]

RDM confirmed on scifi.com that the loss of Pegasus was because of budget and the fact SciFi won't budget money for another sound stage or warehouse for BSG

[Caduceus]

Azselendor said:
billy should've exited during the election scandal...



Billy, the actor, waited and waited and waited to sign a contract to re-up for the series, ultimitely didn't and was killed off.

EDIT: But I agree - it would have made more dramatic sense if they could have waited until during the scandal to off him.

[AngleWyrm]

Tricia Helfer (Six) and Grace Park (Boomer) are costarring in the new Command &amp; Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (http://www.ea.com/commandandconquer/news.jsp?id=9)

[Black_Knyght]

Okay, I know I'm a little late but I just caught up with the latest episode of BSG and I have to say they done did good.

I'm glad to see the Pegasus (that "elephant in the corner") finally go, but I'm also happy they did it with a certain flair. Love how many Basestar's it cost the Cylons to finally kill the ol' Beast.

And ya REALLY gotta love Adama's "Atmospheric Ambush Manuever" !!! You have to admit, THAT was truly original.

[AMF]

I've finally figured out something that's been nagging at the back of my mind: why is Tighe a Colonel? COL isn't a naval rank, it's a marine or army (or air force) rank. And, all the others on BSG are naval personnel. Always bothered me, because the creators certainly knew what they were doing otherwise.

Well, I've finally figured it out: He's a Colonial Marine!

That's why he was so good on the ground, that's why he knew so much about boarding actions (and how to deal with the cylon boarding parties in the first season), and that's possibly why he did the things he did when he was in charge on BSG and on the ground (heavy handed, willing and able to do what needed to be done regardless of the human cost, etc...).

Whew. Glad I figured that out finally. It'd been weighing on my mind.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ragnarok]

Black_Knyght said:
And ya REALLY gotta love Adama's "Atmospheric Ambush Manuever" !!! You have to admit, THAT was truly original.



The entire episode was great but that was the best part of it! Great CG and awesome idea. Hopefully we get more impressive scenes like that in the future.

[Azselendor]

If galactica doesn't win an award this year, A lot of people are gonna be pissed.

[Renegade 13]

I really liked this episode as well. It showed the great difference in survivability between Galactica and Pegasus. Galactica was getting hammered to [censored], without doing nearly as much damage as Pegasus did before she bit the dust. 3 Basestars gone, that was impressive.

[Black_Knyght]

AMF said:
I've finally figured out something that's been nagging at the back of my mind: why is Tighe a Colonel? COL isn't a naval rank, it's a marine or army (or air force) rank. And, all the others on BSG are naval personnel. Always bothered me, because the creators certainly knew what they were doing otherwise.

Well, I've finally figured it out: He's a Colonial Marine!

That's why he was so good on the ground, that's why he knew so much about boarding actions (and how to deal with the cylon boarding parties in the first season), and that's possibly why he did the things he did when he was in charge on BSG and on the ground (heavy handed, willing and able to do what needed to be done regardless of the human cost, etc...).

Whew. Glad I figured that out finally. It'd been weighing on my mind.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Small unit tactics, Guerilla warfare, the "do whatever it takes" mentality, the overall impression he's "uncomfortable" in his place on the Command Bridge...


You know, that does make a certain amount of sense. He really does seem much more like a rough and tumble ground-pounder than a fleet officer.

[Black_Knyght]

Renegade 13 said:
I really liked this episode as well. It showed the great difference in survivability between Galactica and Pegasus. Galactica was getting hammered to [censored], without doing nearly as much damage as Pegasus did before she bit the dust. 3 Basestars gone, that was impressive.



Yeah, it's intersting that the Basestars completely gave up on the Galactica once the Pegasus showed up. They were handling the Galactica with practically no trouble at all, but the Pegasus needed their concentrated attention IMMEDIATELY !!!

[Azselendor]

Pegasus showed up and destroyed one basestar with her forward batteries, I would think that gets some immediate attention.

Then she, crippled and dying, takes out another with a suicide run.

then, after the Beast died, still managed to destroy yet another basestar by flinging a flight pod at it.

Damn, that's one mean ship.

[capnq]

This seems as good a place as any to post this link:

Cylon-o-lantern (http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/CylonOLantern)

[Atrocities]

Azselendor said:
If galactica doesn't win an award this year, A lot of people are gonna be pissed.



Agreed. Damn fine episode and well deserving of awards for SFX.

[Atrocities]

Azselendor said:
Pegasus showed up and destroyed one basestar with her forward batteries, I would think that gets some immediate attention.

Then she, crippled and dying, takes out another with a suicide run.

then, after the Beast died, still managed to destroy yet another basestar by flinging a flight pod at it.

Damn, that's one mean ship.



She will be missed. And they didn't give her the nick name Beast for nothing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif Also one of the human cylons said that the cylons were stretched pretty thin resource wise. So it stands to reason that loosing 2 and half basestars hurt them. But hey, with any luck they just got themselves a new human leader in Blatar. SO it all evens out in the wash. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Black_Knyght]

Hell, with Baltar as their new leader they're worse off than if they'd never rebelled in the first place. Just imagine how much they'll suffer having to constantly listen to his pathetic whining and self-pity...

[Randallw]

I saw the first 3 episodes of this season last night. I get the idea that situation is past but I have to agree it looked like a critique of Iraq. The humans fight the Cylon occupation with suicide bombing, the Cylons have a police force treated as traitors by the others and who wear masks to protect their identity, and the Cylon conquerers who claim to be allies of the "legitimate" government force said government to sign the execution order with a gun to their head. Hard to miss which side they are supporting.

[VanderVecken]

Hmmm, Don't think they are supporting any side, but did find a way to show that there are always two (or more) sides to any conflict. Some may want to complain about the "Analogies to Iraq" being forced down on us, but I think it does our country proud that we even have the capacity to do this. It probably would be illegal to make something like this in over 30% of the countries of the world. Plus, for the most part, it was entertaining as well.

Hmmm (part 2)... Col. Tigh and Starbuck have always been adversarial, but now both have come off the planet with some really heavy emotional baggage; could a bond of misery (or at least a drunken commiseration) continue to form ??

Oh yeah! Atmospheric maneuver was superb, gutsy, legend making thing of beauty.

[Azselendor]

The funny part is that RDM didn't need to mine iraq for those episodes, He had all the puppet governments and occupations from the last 8,000 years to mine. So I dismiss the Iraq anaology, Suicide bombings (or homicide bombings if you watch fox) isn't exclusive to iraq.

But it was definately nice to see that someone on TV has the guts to show that there another side exists.

[gregebowman]

I still think that Baltar is a special cylon who isn't going to be duplicated. maybe even unknown to #6, he's being groomed to be the ulimate Cylon leader, which we haven't even heard about yet. Or maybe he'll be the hybrid's mentor. I really would like them to speed up Baltar's character so we know what he'll ultimately will become.

As far as Friday's episode, I thought it was awesome. The Galactica going into the atmosphere was a great and original trick. too bad about the Pegasus, but the title of the show is Battlestar Galactica, not Battlestars Galactica and Pegasus. Who knows, there might be a third surviving battlestar out there that they'll eventually run into. I like the theory about Tighe being a marine. Makes sense. And ultimately, I approve of the way he took care of his wife. Decently and humanely. After all, he did love her, no matter what her flaws were. Can't wait to see what happens next.

[Randallw]

Found this video of the Galactica's atmosphere attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhMA4ICS_PU

[AgentZero]

That was just freaking awesome.

[AngleWyrm]

Say, isn't Kara due for a haircut?
And I'll bet the Colonel is gonna look good with a pirate-ish eye patch.

[Atrocities]

I recall seeing something about Kara and Adama getting involved. If they go down that road I will have no choice but to gouge out my sole remaining eye and shoot myself.

[Azselendor]

Jamie bamber had an interview about that topic recently, I can't recall the full text of it either. But I think he was talking about how the relationships in the show change.

For example, upcoming episodes will deal with how lee and starbuck hate each other, and how tigh and starbuck are friends now.

[Atrocities]

Tigh and Kara get it on!!!! "Oh you bastared! Oh OH OH OHHHHHHHHHHHH" "How was that for a thruster pack Leutenant?"
"Oh Colonel I can't believe we waited so long."

If this happens, refer to my previous post about ripping my eyes out.

[Tim_Ward]

Randallw said:
I saw the first 3 episodes of this season last night. I get the idea that situation is past but I have to agree it looked like a critique of Iraq. The humans fight the Cylon occupation with suicide bombing, the Cylons have a police force treated as traitors by the others and who wear masks to protect their identity, and the Cylon conquerers who claim to be allies of the "legitimate" government force said government to sign the execution order with a gun to their head.



Iraq is far from the only parallel, the Nazi occupation of France is a much better fit. The scene at the end of Precipe, the one with the execution, is a direct reference to some war film.

Last time I looked, the Americans in Iraq are not rounding up random people off the street and carting them off into the desert to be executed. I don't see any evidence that the iraqi security forces are reguarded as traitors or collabtors by the major of the iraqi populus, either. These are the people who turned out in massive numbers to vote for a government, remember.

You also have the sectarian conflict in iraq which is to a certain degree seperate from the conflict between the americans and the islamic militants, which the media likes to tar under the same bursh - insurgants. None of that is reflected in the New Caprica story. You just have the cylon occupiers and the colonial resistance, a much better fit for occupied France indeed, all of occupied europe and, as others have said, occupations throughout history.

Yes, there are iraqi elements; suicide bombings (though this is also applicable to palestine and, further back in history, lebanon) and the term insurgant though, again, this term was used in Vietnam and, IIRC, Algeria. Some of the cylon rhetoric also echos some of the american rhetoric.

I also think it is unfair to BSG to say they're "supporting" one side other the other; the new caprica resistence are not exactly depicted as angels, especially if you go and watch the webisodes.

PS. The galactica airdrop was wicked cool.

[Azselendor]

Has anyone else noticed RDM's fondness for World War II, I bet we could convert him to some of Shrapnel's games.

[AngleWyrm]

Um...So how exactly did the Chief and Gaeda start using the Doggy Bowl technique?

[Xrati]

It's funny how the Cylons wanted to rid the Galaxy of humans because of their 'human based' hatred of them. They have become, in their own efforts, even worse then those that they seek to detroy! The Cylons have become better at being human then the Humans! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Atrocities]

AngleWyrm said:
Um...So how exactly did the Chief and Gaeda start using the Doggy Bowl technique?



I was thinking the same thing. I guess it was set up by someone else who was later killed.

Is the weight thing with Apollo real or just for the show? Did Jamie Baber pack on the pounds or is it just character BS?

[AngleWyrm]

It was all done with makeup and plastic. Rather convincing job. Just saw a short on it on the scifi channel website last night.

It's too bad really, because it lends credence to the "fat people should just exercise more" thought process, supported by pure fiction.

[Atrocities]

I don't like how they used it as a gimic just to make fat people out to be lazy depressed weak willed loosers. That offends me. I am going to sue!

[Fyron]

AngleWyrm said:
It's too bad really, because it lends credence to the "fat people should just exercise more" thought process, supported by pure fiction.

Right, they should go on and off wacky (and often dangerous; thanks Atkins) diets and pop pills. Or... maybe turn off MTV/VH1/any entertainment news/Hollywood, keep the exercise to keep the heart etc. healthy, and be happy with who they are.

[Atrocities]

For most obese people exercise is painful and its easier to sit on the couch eating than it would be to put down the heaping plate of chilly fries and go out side and walk for a bit. No people are lazy by nature. That is one of the reasons we have just a problem with weight in this country.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Its no really laziness, its about life style and most people are simply not willing to invest the time and effort, because it often is painful to do so, into changing things.

SO they sit at home, stuffing their faces, feeling bad about their weight, eat some more, get depressed, eat more, feel even worse, eat more, etc. The cycle is set and seldom broken. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Caduceus]

...back to the topic of BSG - Executive orders from Tom Zarek - will wonders never cease?

I thought this was out of character for him.

[Fyron]

Really? Seemed in line with his early terrorist activities, to me.

[Azselendor]

I recall an interview w2here they fat suited jamie bamber for lay down your burdens, but Eick told him at the end of the episode to gain 25 pounds for next season. Then when they resigned the contract, Eick told Bamber to "Loose the weight or else."

[Azselendor]

never mind, I found the article and reread it, Eick was telling Bamber to do that as a prank, and they just fatsuited him for 7 episodes

[Atrocities]

Eick is actually a pretty serious clown. I would not believe that he would be serious about gaining weight just to tell him to loose it. He is a ham so take a - oops, read your second post. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Yup, that would be something that Eirk would do. I recall reading about some of his pranks somewhere but cannot find the site now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Damn google.

[Randallw]

See now a fat suit makes more sense to me, but I read something about Apollo having to put on weight and since it didn't flat out explain it was a joke I of course assumed it must be serious.

[Black_Knyght]

Imperator Fyron said:
Really? Seemed in line with his early terrorist activities, to me.




Gotta agree with you 100% here. That's EXACTLY the kind of sneaky, vindictive, terrorist-mentality act I'd expect from Zarek.

[Ragnarok-X]

When does E05 air ? Which day of the week ?

[Astax]

Everyone should excercise more, not just the fat.

[Caduceus]

I don't know - a zero tolerance government sounds about 180 degrees from where Zarek was coming from.

[Azselendor]

Tom Zarek is one of those guys that are "Do as I say, but not as I do."

[AngleWyrm]

Oh yea! Much better than that last one. The plot's actually moving forward again.

[Atrocities]

I like the projecting idea. Very interesting concept. The hi-bred thing though.... not sure I like this concept.

[Caduceus]

What's wrong with hybrids? Seemed like a cool idea. Until she steps out of the tub!

It would make sense that the Cylon Baseships would have a "brain" or central intelligence. Don't know if it such a wise thing to make it a singular creature that can be easily killed while lying in a tub of white light...

[Randallw]

I was reading a description of the hybrids. Are they an existing model, like any cylon can be used, or a new model?

[Atrocities]

I really don't like the concept of the hybrids. To me its just stupid. A talking women in a bathtub. She spouts off all kinds of readings like they wouldn't know this unless she said it out loud. Just silly.

I think its safe to say that they really don't have a clue where to take the show now. I am sure they have some kind of feeling but no hard ideas yet. Now the cylons want to make Earth their new homeworld. WTF! Thats just plain stupid!

First the cylons wanted to exterminate man kind for crimes against God. Or because God willed it. Then they wanted to find humans so they could breed. Then they wanted to save humanity from themselves. Now they want to exterminate man kind again and make Earth their new homeworld. Sounds like they really have no clue what in the hell they want.

I guess the half human half cylon kid will be resistant to the new desease that kills cylons. Thats pretty much a given.

I liked how Adama had to ***** slap Kara and Tygh. I don't know where that story line is going, but Kara's character is one of my more favorites as is Tyghs. So this should be interesting. I think the actress that plays Kara is really good at her craft and I hope that she does at some point get some awards for her work. In fact for the most part, say for Jamie, the cast is pretty good at acting. They really do a splended job of it. Jamie is getting better at it though.

Despite not liking the hybrid concept, I look forward to this new story arc with much anticipation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randallw]

The article I read said the Hybrids words are considered just random output by the Cylons. They don't pay any attention, except the Loeben models which think they are the words of God and they try to pay attention.

As for Katee Sackhof, Starbuck, I saw a dismal trailer for her latest movie along with Don "the Dragon" Wilson (he's sort of a poor mans Van Damne). The reviewer was going on about how great she was in it. All I saw was a piece of junk about fighting robots that had taken over. The sort of direct to DvD rubbish I wouldn't look at twice at Blockbusters.

[Atrocities]

I read or rather sorta recall reading that they have talked to Dirk Benedict (sp) about doing a re-occuring role as a mystery cyclon model. After this latest episode, where they mention they don't dicuss the other models, this rumor might be accurate. Lets hope so. I think it would be great to have two old cast members playing re-occuring parts in the new series.

[Caduceus]

Dunno, Six was pretty direct about the other five models "that they don't talk about".

And I for one think they've played the guest star = Cylon new model card a few times too often.

[Tim_Ward]

First the cylons wanted to exterminate man kind for crimes against God. Or because God willed it. Then they wanted to find humans so they could breed. Then they wanted to save humanity from themselves. Now they want to exterminate man kind again and make Earth their new homeworld. Sounds like they really have no clue what in the hell they want.



That's the point, yes. The cylons are a young civilisation, only 40-50 years old.

[Azselendor]

Dirk Benedict was actually appraoched originally by Bryan Singer to play a 50 year old starbuck, with no changes to the character (thus creating someone who is kinda tragicly too old for the way he lives). He was later approached by RDM to play a cameo in season 3 (I suspect in Hero), but passed.

As for the other 5 models, I suspect that since the cylons are a young civilization, those 5 are still teenagers and are locked up in brother cavil's basement.

[Atrocities]

Don't you ever wonder how old actors can aford to live, especially in LA? I mean Dirk Benedict hasn't worked since the mid 80's and he turns down a job? Where does there money come from? Royalties? Those can't add up to much.

Well according to his site and a few web sites he has stayed busy writing, directing, doing conventions, blogs, and the occational acting gig.


Battlestar Galactica (2003) (VG) (voice) .... Lt. Starbuck, Lukas



Interesting huh?

[Azselendor]

You forget he's the Face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_"Faceman"_Peck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_)

As for the hybrids, I have to say I don't like it either. All I could think of when I saw her in a pool of goo was the matrix pod people. It wasn't a good idea, I always liked the concept of the cylon ships being "meaty" inside.

Also, did anyone else find it weird earth takes down yet another civilization with biological weapons? ala war of the worlds.

[Randallw]

A friend gives me copies of the show (I don't get cable) so I won't see it till tomorrow, but can you elaborate on the "Earth takes down a civilisation with bio weapons". I know the cylons have a disease. They didn't find earth and get it did they http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[AgentZero]

I'm interested to see how Kara &amp; Tigh's 'new' friendship plays out, now that Starbuck seems to be pulling herself back together, while Tigh seems determined to remain in his downward spiral. 42 minutes just isn't long enough!

[Atrocities]

Soon it will be 38 minuts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Networks want to know why people aren't watching their shows? Well its because they have to suffor through 18 minutes of commericals. Ten years ago the average commerical time for a show was 8 minutes. That meant that you could sit back and enjoy a 50 to 52 minute program in realative peace without all of the BS interuptions.

But tell a network that they have too much time dedicated to comericals per show, and they will sight the cost of the shows to produce, and rightfully so.

So unless they can get the costs down, 38 minute 1 hour shows are going to be here sooner rather than later. When that happpens it will be far more praticle to just buy the series on DVD and watch it all at once over the course of a long night.

[AgentZero]

Or, rather than waiting for the DVD to come out, people will just get sick of TV and more and more people will wind up downloading the shows worth watching. Which sucks in a way, since then the shows worth watching don't get watched as far as the network is concerned (ie: no one's watching their advertising). And sure, ideally the thing for them to do is find out why viewership is down, and reduce advertising to attract viewers. "NBC now has 15% LESS ads than ABC!" would be a pretty big draw for a lot of people.
Of course, we're not living in an ideal world, so we'll likely see 1/4 of our screen given over to advertising *during* the show, along with the usual 18 minutes of 'full-screen' advertising. Makes me glad I hardly watch TV anymore.

[Azselendor]

definately starbuck and tigh's new dynamic are great. They are easily stealing the show. NBC should've opted for first syndication, but because of their piss poor editing of the miniseries, it failed on the network and nbc won't be airing it.

Randallw, my comment is that the probe is supposedly from earth (I personally suspect the other 5 cylons in reality) and that earth had a tedenacy to wipe out alien civilizations with plagues and viruses. War of the worlds, martian chronicles, independence day, and so forth. I've always viewed it, in the realm of scifi, to be cliche'd plot.

[Randallw]

There's a probe? oh well I'll just wait till I get the latest epsiodes from my friend.

I thought the Bio weapon thing in the latest WotW was unoriginal. I mean yeah it's from the book but really I expected they'd introduce something new. It worked as an original idea 100 years ago, I just thought it was so cliched by now they'd make an effort to intorduce something new. I mean surely the aliens would be more "knowledgable" these days. I for one can't stand a story where the good guys win because the aliens are idiots,(cough) Battlefield Earth (/cough).

Until the show says otherwise I'm sticking to my idea that Earth is way more advanced and when the Fleet finds it the pursuing Cylons get annihilated in minutes.

[AngleWyrm]

See page two of this thread.

[Randallw]

I'm afraid I don't know what I'm supposed to look at. If you mean the bitTorrents, I don't want anything to do with downloading stuff from other people short of a file sent from someone I know. I like BSG and other programs but I'm not in that much of a hurry.

Edit: let me elaborate. I can see you offer the episodes and I appreciate it but I'm not comfortable with it. I also personally don't believe in things being worth downloading huge files. I don't download huge GB games and stuff because I consider it a lack of restraint to be trolling the Internet and leaving my computer on all day just to download something I don't basically need http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Suicide Junkie]

As far as trust, you really only have to trust whoever gives you the .torrent file.

If the peers try to send anything that isn't right, it gets tossed out.

[Dizzy]

The 5 other cyclon models are ::spoiler::

Bill
Laura
Kira
Lee
Gaius

Sick isnt it?

[AMF]

If you don't want to use a torrent file to download the episodes, you can do it totally legally by buying each episode from Apple a few days after it airs. Just get and set up the iTunes software, and go to iTunes store, and then go to TV Shows, and it will give you a whole array of options. Each show, typically, costs $1.99. Perfectly legal, no stress.

[Randallw]

I found out about that a few days ago. I was thinking of getting Stargate episodes, but couldn't figure out how to get them, plus I wondered if they'd be really small for ipods. I actually have iTunes for some reason, even though I don't have an ipod or listen to much music. I think it got installed when I installed something else.

Edit: now I remember. The maker of an alt-hist website did a podcast.

[AMF]

We play the episodes on our computer, not on a iPod - it's just like watching TV...

[Randallw]

yeah. I do the same thing with the episodes my friend gives me. I forgot that I always set it to full screen http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. With RvB I download the free low res version and just full screen it.

However I just downloaded the latest version of itunes, discovered my firewall stopped it, disabled the firewall, registered and then discovered I can only use the Australian store. I tried registering in the US store but it only allows the country my card is in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif and the Australian store doesn't have tv shows http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I'll just have to check until they do.

[Baron Munchausen]

"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

[gregebowman]

Dizzy said:
The 5 other cyclon models are ::spoiler::

Bill
Laura
Kira
Lee
Gaius

Sick isnt it?



Actually, I still think Gaius is a special type of Cylon. Unfortunately for me, I haven't been able to watch the last few episodes, so I have no idea about these Hybrid peopole that you're "talking" about. Hope to fix this situation soon, as it's killing me not to be able to watch this show.

[Atrocities]

What are you basing these names on? I suspect its just irony.

[Randallw]

The cylon models aren't based on any specific "humans", correct.

We know from the fact that "Caprica" will be made focussing on the Adama family and young william will be in it, I think, so as the Cylons don't copy humans then Bill Adama, and by connection Apollo, can't be cylon agents.

Therea re hints about Baltar, but if he is a Cylon then why go to the trouble of seducing him with Caprica 6, unless he somehow lost his memory more permanently than Sharon 1.

Incidentally, I must have missed some stuff. How exactly does Sharon 1 act these days. It's hard to keep track with so many copies but has she taken the cylon side now? I saw her on new caprica, but later she appears to be working with the other models on the Basestar. Also what happened to Roslins cancer?

[Renegade 13]

Roslin's cancer was cured last season by a blood transfusion from Helo and Sharon's baby.

[Atrocities]

The baby will be imune to the virus too and since the Cylons have the baby it would only stand to reason that they will figure this out thus making bio-weapons worthless.

[Caduceus]

The bioweapon/virus was a good idea, but it couldn't hang over the heads of the show for episode after episode.

Good idea, let's move on.

And I agree that the baby could probably generate a cure.

[Will]

I had an interesting thought about the other five cylon models the other day...

Currently, we know of seven cylon "human" models, who seem to be the only ones that took part in the occupation of New Caprica, and all the Cylon hostilities up to this point: D'Anna, Doral, Six, Sharon, Leoben, Simon, and Cavil. We also know that these seven models made major decisions by making a vote. And, we know that at least Six is skittish when asked about the other five models; "We don't talk about them."

Now, let's assume that the basestar hybrids, the raiders, and the centurions are NOT included in the twelve models. So, there would be twelve Cylon models in the "human" form we have already seen, seven of which are currently active. So, what if there was some kind of Cylon civil war? It could explain a lot of things.

Why are the other models not present, and why do the present models not like talking about them? Perhaps because the seven we know got a little practice in genocide on the other five before turning to the humans. Or, less extreme, maybe there was just a split in the vote that could not be resolved, and the pacifist five refused to help with the war.

Why is it that the Cylons had such an overwhelming military power and were able to take out nearly all the Colonists in one strike? The computer virus Six slipped into Baltar's code accounts for part of it, but even still, the Cylons seemed to come out in overwhelming force, and may not have needed the virus. A civil war between the Cylons could explain the military strength, and it would have gone undetected since humans never ventured into Cylon space (as far as we know, beyond this week's revelation of a very short-lived scouting expedition).

[Atrocities]

I have a question that I haven't seen answered yet. Who created the human cylons?

I mean its obvious that humans created the crome versions, but who created the human versions? The chrome domes aren't especially blessed with outstanding cpu's so this begs the question, who created the human versions of the cylons?

I think the answer to that question will be a very interesting story arc. My money is a human created the human cylons and is behind this whole GOD thing that they believe in.

[AgentZero]

It's possible some variety of chromedome created the human cylons. From what I remember, humanity created the shiney ones, the shineys achieved sentience and fought a nasty little war with humanity, at the conclusion of which the sentient robots left human space. At some point after that, the chromdomes could have created the human variety, but I think it's a bit odd that the fleshy ones would have then taken a leadership role, while subsequent shineys were demoted to the non-sentient variety we all know and love today.

Of course, this all seems like an awful lot to have happened in the 20 years that the cylons were behaving themselves, so it's likely development on the human cylons began sometime during the war.

Or something...

[AngleWyrm]

Cylon evolution?

Maybe the first generation built a better cylon, which built a better cylon, which built their god. And god built the skin jobs.

[Atrocities]

AngleWyrm said:
Cylon evolution?

Maybe the first generation built a better cylon, which built a better cylon, which built their god. And god built the skin jobs.



So why are the metal jobs still mindless drones? No there’s more to the story than simple robotic evolution here. We don't really know what the real story is behind the cylon revolution. Were they all the old chrome domes that achieved sentience? If so then why didn't they pass that down to their later metal robotic versions? I really cannot see a cylon, even the old ones, working as a housekeeper. Where did they get arms? Who was the first alive cylon or the first to become sentient? Was it a chrome dome working in some home as a maid or was it a military version used to fight against humans in the colonies?

What is the story behind sentient cylon case 1?
Was that cylon a metal version or a more humanoid resembling model?
How did the sentience spread to other cylons?
What were the cylons being used for that caused to become hostile upon achieving sentience?
Who led the cylons into rebellion and beyond?
What cylon later developed war machines and human versions?
Where are all of the old versions? Were they scrapped or mothballed?
Who is the cylon God?
Is this cylon God really a human? Could this God of theirs be behind the entire cylon evolution from plain old inanimate object to sentient mass murdering homicidal robot?

These questions are all valid and beg to be answered. The mystery needs to be unveiled. The story must be told.

[Randallw]

Athena said the Centurions are limited in their programming, so they don't rise up against the human models.

It raises the question of since the metals must have made the human forms, how did the human forms come to rule over the metals.

Of course there might be a main cylon somewhere, not human form, that runs things. An "Imperious leader" of sorts. I can see them avoiding such a name but perhaps, as an homage to the original, a human form might sarcastically refer to it as "Our Imperious leader"

[Atrocities]

Wouldn't it just be wicked evil if that Imperious Leader was a very old Baltar? He wanted to find a way to transfer his soul into machine so that he could live forever and in doing so created the first sentient cylons and later the human versions?

That would explain a lot about Baltar and Six.

[Hugh Manatee]

My crackpot birth of the cylon theories:

A: When the colonials say "cylon" I kinda think they mean it the same way when we say "robot". Any man made AI automoton would have been called a cylon, weather it was a armed securty centurion or an auto dishwasher bot.

B: In efforts to improve the capabilities of "cylons" they keep improving their AIs, not realizing that if they make then sentient they may seek independance. Furthermore it sounds like, from what I can recall of the miniseries prmier, they also had a large network not entirely unlike the internet linking all technology together. The colonials probably built a "sky-net" cylon, it got PO'd and h4x0r3D the cylons with it's own sentience program, war and chaos ensues ending ith the cylons retreating from the planets. Whatever sentience sent them haywire in the first place is possibly their "god" or invented their god for their AI to believe in, and seeing ahead decided to produce the retard chrome domes we have now to lessen the chance of rebellion.

C: We saw one of the original Cylon Centurion models in a museum exibit on the galactica, so we know that they've been upgrading themselves. Perhaps the 5 original models were horrific failures or maybe they did rebel and this is why we have shortbus toasters now and zealot skin jobs. I recall from the OBSG that the lucifer and other "clear plastic pinheaded stuffed with christmas lights with blinking wax lips" were kinda baskstabbing and one upping in nature, maybe they will use it.

[Atrocities]

"Hunny why is the dish washer bot holding my gu----"

I know what they became alive! Some sick *** demented women wanted to be free of her over loving rich husbands oppressive care so she hot wired her chrome toaster and programed it to kill. In doing so she accidently gave it living intelligence thus making it sentient.

[Atrocities]

I recall from the OBSG that the lucifer and other "clear plastic pinheaded stuffed with christmas lights with blinking wax lips" were kinda baskstabbing and one upping in nature, maybe they will use it.



In DS9 they were called VORTA. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Randallw]

Except of course the Vorta would die before turning on the founders. I always wondered why the Jem'Hadar had to be addicted to white when if you created them properly they should have a aneurysm if they ever opposed the founders. Then again I guess they had to fit the story. I have always thought having AIs become self aware and turn on you wouldn't really happen since if you REALLY made them properly they would be programmed not to. The whole uprising thing is a way of criticising humans as making errors when properly programming machines would avoid it.

I am wondering, anyone seen "Second Renaisance". What if the first cylon to rebel was like B1-66ER?

[Hugh Manatee]

thats what I was thinking of too, but I figured Sky-Net to be more well known (btw second renaisance was pretty badass)

[Renegade 13]

Is it just me, or has the latter part of this season of BSG turned into a massive flop? It seems that all that happens, every episode, is essentially a lot of inconsequential jibber-jabber, or one character or another having their bout of illogical emotional angst. It's like a bunch of 13 year old emo kids have started writing all the episodes! The Cylons are barely even present at all anymore...which seems rather odd considering BSG is a story of their flight from and fight with the Cylons.

I used to look forward to each episode of BSG...but it's lost what made it so great in the previous seasons http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Atrocities]

i didnt even care they killed off starbuck.

[AgentZero]

I've noticed it's gone downhill lately, doesn't quite have the ooomph that it used to. But Starbuck dying made me a sad panda.

[Atrocities]

The last five or six episodes have left me with a "WTH" feeling of disappointment.

When they killed off Kira, I was like; FINALLY! Her character has been steadily going down hill since the end of the last season. As an actress she is quite good, but the character Starbuck was just written to fall flat on her face and when they finally wrote her off, I was happy to see her go. Kinda like seeing your favorite old dog being put down after years of living in agony.

The show has really gotten depressing. It still has potential but like Ren said, these last few episodes have been a real struggle to watch as they all have been "finding yourself" character peaces.

[AgentZero]

If you're going to find something, why don't you go find some Cylons to blow up? Huh? How about that!

Seriously though, the whole Balthar trial thing could be good if done well, but it'd get a bit tedious if that's all it was. We need some Cylon action to break things up a little. Even if we don't have battles (although that's preferable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ), some inkling as to what the Cylons are up to would be nice.

Edit: I just wonder why they made such a big deal about Starbuck's 'special destiny' right before they killed her. Now we'll never know WTF was up with that painting!

[Randallw]

I am revising my expectations of programs these days. It was once that I would describe some programs as something I would never miss. Then there was Lost. I realise now that I might be a fan of something and couldn't imagine skipping it but in the future I may still lose interest.

I have a friend who gives me copies of BSG. I would watch them all then make a copy and give him the disc so he could give it to someone else. At the end of last year he gave me a disc and I started watching but I skipped 3 of the episodes without watching because when I found out what was happening I couldn't care less. What idiot came up with an entire episode devoted to the stupidest sport ever created, boxing (not that I call 2 people with every muscle except their brain bulked up beating each other slowly to death a sport). I still haven't finished watching the last one. I have to admit that I may just be losing interest. Where's the action?. I used to excuse the whiny self discovery as I got to watch action, but if they don't have any action what is there to watch. I'm just not the sort of person interested in peoples emotional problems let alone made up ones on tv.

[mrscrogg]

The episode wasn't about " boxing " it could have been about any sport , it was about the need to blow off " steam " , get their equilibrium back , let their hair down and in the Admiral's case , remind everyone he's human and he screwed up and wasn't above anybody else for it

[Ragnarok]

AgentZero said:

Edit: I just wonder why they made such a big deal about Starbuck's 'special destiny' right before they killed her. Now we'll never know WTF was up with that painting!



I highly doubt that we have seen the last of Starbuck. With all of the talk about her destiny as you mentioned, I suspect we will be seeing her again.

As for the way the show has gone lately...I have mixed feelings about it. I miss all of the action but at the same time it is nice to see some development of character. If it was all fighting all of the time there wouldn't be time to explore the battles that each individual is facing from being on the run for so long.

They just need to mix it up a bit more. Have one of these types of episodes every 3 or 4 weeks instead of 3 or 4 in a row.

And for those that aren't getting their fix from BSG...that's why we have Heroes and LOST. LOST is kind of dragging right now too, but Heroes...each episode is like...wow!

[Tim_Ward]

The series definately took a dip in quality around the mid season point with all the emo bull****, with otherwise interesting episodes (i.e. Taking a Break from All Your Worries, with the Baltar mind-[censored] sessions) marred with Starbuck and Lee's angst-fest, but this most recent episode was back up at season 2/early season 3 levels.

[Uncle_Joe]

I highly doubt that we have seen the last of Starbuck. With all of the talk about her destiny as you mentioned, I suspect we will be seeing her again.



Yep, I agree. They foreshadowed it quite a bit when she was looking down and reaching for the ejection handle just before the ship blew up. It really wouldnt surprise me for her to pop back up somewhere in the future.

As far as the show in general, yeah, its definately missed a beat from where it used to be. My only hope is that the writers are following a little bit of JMS's B5 script and running a handful of relatively calm, non-arc episodes in order to really WHAM the audience when things start moving again. Its possible that Starbuck dying was supposed to be the WHAM though, in which case I dont think it really had the desired effect yet...

[Azselendor]

Actually, I would say the series dipped right after Resurrection Ship 1 &amp; 2 but I don't blame RDM directly, but more to the point, I blame scifi for actually giving RDM longer seasons. He seems to work better when pushed to do more with less.

Personally, I think they shouldn't bring back starbuck -- except for flashbacks and such. A lot of people in other forums speculate she's a cylon, I hope not. I think Baltar's lawyer is a cylon (his back story matches those of the other cylons that gave BS stories).

Now David Eick said that episodes 16 &amp; 19 are gonna be big for the upcoming film. So we may yet see kara's destiny.

[Santiago]

Sad to say the focus is on Characters and relationships and not much else.

[Tim_Ward]

Actually, I would say the series dipped right after Resurrection Ship 1 &amp; 2 but I don't blame RDM directly, but more to the point, I blame scifi for actually giving RDM longer seasons. He seems to work better when pushed to do more with less.



Meh. Epiphans, Scar, Captain's Hand, Downloaded and Lay Down Your Burdans were all great episodes. Only Black Market and Sacrafice were a let down.

[Renegade 13]

I'm hoping it picks up for the last two episodes of the season. You'd think it would, being the season-finale and all, they have to sink in some hook to make you want to watch again next year. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[AgentZero]

Are we coming up on season finale time already. Galdarnit, now what's going to entertain me?!

[Azselendor]

I'm not saying that we haven't had great episodes since then, I'm just saying I feel the decline in quality started after that point.

[Atrocities]

RDM is most definitely not to blame for the dip in the shows interest. I still like the show and felt that the production quality is still top notch. The stories are a bit out of place and weak at the moment as the show tries once again to redefine itself. At least they didn't go with the Adama Starbuck love affair.

[Atrocities]

Sci-Fi has picked up 13 addition episodes for next year. Hopefully they can pull out of this nose dive and bring people back to the show. They have a wealth of story arcs they can pull from, even ideas from the original series, but will they. Will they find Terra and the Alliance? Will they run into the Beings of Light, what about Apollo shoot out with the Cylon? Hell they could even come across an old ancient space station and fix up the Galatica a bit. She is looking a bit under the weather herself.

[Renegade 13]

Yeah the radiation from that nebula didn't do the hull any favors. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Tim_Ward]

13 additional episodes plus a 2 hour TV movie.

[Atrocities]

The two hour movie though is dependent upon ratings though. Bad ratings, no movie.

Ok, if you had to write the last episode of BSG how would you end it?

I would end it with Bill Adama waking up with cold sweats and an empty bottle of booze next to his cot. "Damn" he says as he looks at the bottle and tosses. "I will never drink again."

Cut to out side shot of BSG Galactica sitting in space port surrounded by hundreds of Colonial ships. Fade to black.

[AgentZero]

Oh noes! Not the "It was all a dream!" cop out! I hate that!

[Tim_Ward]

If that was the ending, I'd kill the entire world.

[GuyOfDoom]

Have never gotten the whole thing with the new BSG cause to me it just seems like they stitched together a bunch of long-running SciFi stereotypes with some interesting character dynaminc, but then it might be that I still have a grudge against SciFi channel for what they did to my poor Farscape.

[Renegade 13]

Heh I think everyone has a grudge against the SciFi channel for one reason or another. (They killed Stargate SG-1, the bastards!)

[GuyOfDoom]

Renegade 13 said:
Heh I think everyone has a grudge against the SciFi channel for one reason or another. (They killed Stargate SG-1, the bastards!)



Correction, they didn't let SG-1 when they should have.

[Atrocities]

Renegade 13 said:
Heh I think everyone has a grudge against the SciFi channel for one reason or another. (They killed Stargate SG-1, the bastards!)



The SciFi channel has made a history of canceling shows that were considered top notch in favor of making low brow, low budge, low quality, screamer flicks. I hate Sci-Fi channel, I hate it I hate it.

[Renegade 13]

GuyOfDoom said:
Correction, they didn't let SG-1 when they should have.

Sorry but that statement doesn't make sense to me. Could you rephrase?

[Tim_Ward]

Renegade 13 said:
(They killed Stargate SG-1, the bastards!)



Last episode aired in the UK yesterday. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Atrocities]

Its like watching an old friend drive off into the unknown knowing that you might never see her again. Its an empty sad feeling. But hey, all good things must come to an end, its the physics of space and time.

[GuyOfDoom]

Renegade 13 said:

GuyOfDoom said:
Correction, they didn't let SG-1 when they should have.

Sorry but that statement doesn't make sense to me. Could you rephrase?



Sorry, forgot a word. They should have let SG-1 go earlier. They kept it on way too long.

[Atrocities]

GuyOfDoom said:

Renegade 13 said:

GuyOfDoom said:
Correction, they didn't let SG-1 when they should have.

Sorry but that statement doesn't make sense to me. Could you rephrase?



Sorry, forgot a word. They should have let SG-1 go earlier. They kept it on way too long.



you do realize that you are in the minority on this opinion, don't you?